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2000 is VT from memory. Those lights are definitely not VX.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTR_069
Edit: Yep last of the VT. Also just a clubsport not R8. You can tell by the lack of climate control.
Edit x 2 195 000 kms is bugger all. Lower kms doesn't mean everything. Low kms is just a sign it's sat for ages. Something that isn't good for any car.
Definitely a VTQuote:
Originally Posted by GTR_069
Can easily tell by the bumpers. The VX has a much wider/more aggressive middle section.
Series 1 VT's had orange lights at the rear, series 2's went clear.
It is an R8 though, VT R8's didn't get climate control like the VX's.
The ad states it's an '02 so it will be a series II. It's a bit hard to tell with only 2 exterior photos, but from the second photo, you can see the top of the seat, It looks to me that this isn't an R8, so many people advertising a Clubby as an R8 when it's not. Tell tales are the seats, the climate air, the wheels if original, chrome brightwork roof gutters. Brakes also, but some base clubbies will have had brakes upgraded. There will be an R8 badge on the boot and the front guards, but of course it's easy to stick a badge on the car, the seats and climate air aren't as quick and easy upgrade. Of course if you look at the HSV build plate it will be plated Clubsport R8. VT series II is from 1999-2000, VX 2000 -2001, VX II 2001 -2002. I don't think VT II R8 had climate air, but they do have the Coulsen seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTR_069
I would much rather the low km Senator than that thing.:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiebbq
That looks in great condition, even the seats look really good except for the bolster on the drivers seat base, for 15 years it's in really fantastic condition and low kms that will be really hard to find. It will also be hard to find those Coulsen seats in really good nick, you really need to try to lift yourself over the bolster to keep them in decent condition. In photo 5 you can see it's standard air, but this is correct for a VTII R8. I would say no question that is a genuine VT II R8.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTR_069
I would much rather a Senator in general than a clubby but that's just personal preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
If your in NSW or Newcastle I can help you if u like
I just sold a VT 2 R8 auto with leather
I've had a couple....
J
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Originally Posted by SV300
Yes I am a newy lad
Ok
Pm me if you like
J
I've owned a VT R8 manual for the last 8 years. It's been a good car. Like all LS1's it's gone through a water pump or two and a fuel pump, but nothing expensive. People who haven't really done their 'extended' research still warn others off about early LS1's, but it's all relative. I've been in some series 2 VY LS1's which were low klms, one owner cars that rattled their heads off, and at the same time I've been in VT LS1's which have never been rebuilt and quiet as a mouse and don't burn oil (mine being one of them).
I would definitely recommend the R8 model over the non R8 and the manual as a personal preference in any LS1 car. Having the 3.73 diff as standard is nice, as are the 330mm brakes (if it's not optioned with the 4 pots) either way the brakes are much better than a standard car. The Coulsons are a nice seat - my pick is the leather option as the styling isn't as obnoxious as some of the patterns on the cloth trim.
As others have mentioned, on the VT R8 it had the standard heater and AC controls - climate wasn't introduced until VX R8. Traction control also wasn't available on manual VT LS1's which again is no big deal. As we are all aware VT's didn't come with any rear camber correction devices (with I believe the GTS 300 being the exception - GTS owners feel free to correct me), so you may like to have one installed if you purchase. My R8 is fitted with ultra lows all round and runs 19" wheels and yes it has camber wear more than I would like but I usually cross the tyres on the rims to double the life out of them - so that could be some food for thought. The heads and manifold aren't as good as the later LS1 cars, but in the real world we are splitting hairs.
As for price, there is a lot of "I bought X for Y price, or my mate bought one of these for half the price of yours, or you can get ABC model in this price bracket". Facebook is rife with this, especially when people claim to have purchased a "mint" example and then I see it in person and I would rate it at 6-7/10 at best. I've always been of the opinion if a car ticks all the boxes you are looking for, you are a fussy, is a genuine car, is a rarer model and generally tidier than 90% of the other examples of the same model and you plan on keeping it for awhile, it's worth paying that bit extra for, regardless if you have seen a model that is one body shape newer in the same price range. Prices for these cars vary greatly, but if I was to purchase another one, for a well optioned R8, with manual, leather, big brakes, possibly sunroof, and in excellent condition with low klms in my desired colour, I would be expecting to hand over 10-13k and I think that's fair for you are getting (keeping in mind not everyone wants 'the newer model').
Good luck with your search :)
thanks for that in depth reply I will take that all on-boardQuote:
Originally Posted by HSV_CRUZN
I have a VT 11 Clubsport in white with Premium Brakes, sunroof and only 58,000km on it I'm the 2nd owner and rarely drive it. It's totally stock, original and smells like a new car inside. Still has the original exhaust and it doesn't have a stone chip on it. Unfortunately it's an auto which is why I just recently got my Monaro. It is obviously at the bottom of it's value curve at the moment, but like most good cars I guess it will head up in value as the years roll on. So it's not for sale at current values, but I reckon you'd be hard pressed to find a better original example.
The early ones were also missing the passenger side air bags. The R8 I ordered in 1999 arrived only with a Drivers airbag, there was some issue with installation so they didn't install the passanger side. I think it took about 3 or 4 months to rectify the issue.
Cheers.
Go the VX Clubsport - best looking one they ever made.
I say that owning a VY R8 (which has 53,000km on it and might be saleable at the right price).
My preference would be the VX11 also.
Before I bought my senator I was searching for a 15th anniversary VX11 R8 and I still think they are a great looking car with plenty of HSV niceties.
Another thing with VT v VX is that the VT weighs slightly more than a VX as it was originally built to carry the Holden V8 which is 40kg heavier than the LS1 so the front rails and K frame were slightly heavier also. I could be wrong here but from memory it was reported that a comparable VX V8 to VT11 V8 (not V6) was about 70-80kg lighter.
Plus the fact that the VX11 has the better rear end with the extra GTS toe end thingies that help with camber wear on the rear tyres.
Just a little more food for thought.