Do we need this as a reminder probably one of the worst crashes u will see and in a bog stock omega
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Do we need this as a reminder probably one of the worst crashes u will see and in a bog stock omega
Education Education Education
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any v8 or turbo what aload ov shit victoria used to be power to wieght then went to this new system witch to p platers is awsome you carnt drive a dirty old 253 or a 5litre anymore but can drive a new holden v6 with nearly 220 kw whos the smart one,
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Originally Posted by rgmast
wtf...............
I dont understand that either.Quote:
Originally Posted by tacka007
Same in QLD - A P plater can drive a VE 3.6 SIDI 210 kW SV6 - But cant touch a 104 kW 1.4 litre turbo Cruze, or a 30 year old VH 253 V8 with 100 kW
you can educate and train....but will make most of the younger ones more invincible ( i was there once!).
My simple opinion, have what ever car, just speed limit it to 100km/h and/or restrict the RPM's to get them there slower!
No they can't, it's over 200kw, can on your Ls but. [edit] yes they can. was changed to 210 late last year..Quote:
Originally Posted by VL Executive
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Licensing/...-vehicles.aspx
Has been like that in NSW for many years. Doesn`t make sense! Though power to weight to should be taken into consideration ie 1900kg VE vs 1450kg for a VH 253. Many people get around the system via exemptions for work vehicles eg V8 utes. ( the amount of V8 utes running around with P plates shows how the system is being rorted)Quote:
Originally Posted by VL Executive
Driver education is very important,but is forever overlooked. How many times have Ian Luff or Mark Skaife campaigned for it but nothing ever happens.
Happened in Perth on the foreshore just prior to Chrissy.....Quote:
Originally Posted by smithenberry
the govement are never bout road safty they are all bout revenue always making new laws so they can book more people and make more money. if they were for real bout this they would get a car for every secodary school in the country and run driver education and put every new person who gets there licence threw a defencive driving course but no they are all bout making money for them selves.if they used all the money from traffic infringments and fines im sure there would be enough to fund these sorts of programs, when i was at school more than 20 years ago my school was runing such a program but was then shut down because of funding issuse`s.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-2...m-tree/3739854Quote:
Originally Posted by VYSHSV8
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Originally Posted by smithenberry
wtf...............
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Originally Posted by VYSHSV8
My reaction was also WTF!
Think he's talking about how cleanly the side of the car has separated from the body, like it was demo-sawed.
its the same old question and outrage that has been going around for years, the fact of the matter is obvious to see: the government DOES NOT CARE what the community actually wants, what could actually SAVE LIVES, they only care about sensationalist short term fixes for what is largely a media generated problem.
Im sure if you examined the road accident/fatality statistics for the last 50 years you would see an increase that could be attributed to the rise in the countries population and access to disposable income for the purchase of motor vehicles, but that comparison is never made in the public forum so increased accidents on the road MUST be attributed to drivers and the cars they are driving?
The cars we drive today are 100% safer than the cars our parents/grandparents were driving when they were first introduced into this country, so how will limiting what people can drive without any real world evidence that the restrictions will make one ounce of difference help?
Answer is it will not, as previously stated by several others in this thread, only education can help to save lives on our roads, no amount of nannying by the state will stop people from behaving in a reckless manner on the roads, they have to WANT to do it, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink!
It seems I'm on the minority side along with the other old people on here. I think restricting inexperienced drivers from piloting ridiculously powerful cars is a good idea, as per the LAMS for motorcycles. As much as I'd love to believe that educating everyone would stop people from being reckless idiots, I have grown old and cynical and don't believe that any amount of education is going to stop douchebags from being douchebags. I don't really care if they kill themselves but taking innocent other people with them is no acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by dazzrael
All I can say that up until the age of 26, I took many risks and drove like an idiot. Didn't have accidents but could have easily killed myself and others between the age of 17-26. Don't know why I was so stupid but believe there is some merit in what people are saying. At 37, I still struggle to keep myself from putting my foot down, but definitely drive more responsible than I use to. Not all 17-26 year olds will be as wild as I was behind the wheel, but more would be than not.
I guess we all see examples of bad driving during our daily commute but does anyone actually take notice who the main offenders are? I’ll put it out there, young females in small 4 cylinder cars weaving through traffic with no time to wait, 4 wheel drives playing push and shove because of their size, impatient, aggressive and exhausted truckies, a whole range of demographics on phones, eating, smoking, putting on makeup, arms out windows when both hands should be on the wheel, intolerant mums and dads and this list could get very long.
It seems to me that the Australian motoring community at large is not interested in adhering to the basics of good driving practice yet young people in high powered cars is the main focus of Government safety initiative’s or should I say, misguided Government intervention as a means to be seen as doing something. I understand the young are highly represented in accidental deaths regardless of the type of reckless activity compared to other age groups but I can’t ever remember seeing any solid statistics that show the percentage of young drivers killed in road accidents that are actually driving a high powered vehicle as opposed to young people killed in low powered cars. Has anyone got access to these type of statistics, it would be interesting to see what the real story is without the political point scoring.
All I can say is Australian motorists in general regardless of age have poor driving skills and even poorer road manners and for most, it is way too late to change their attitude, in fact most are a complete lost cause. But education of the young has always been the secret to change so why would driver education be any different.
As others have said, there will always be those that lose the plot and do something stupid and the end result may be tragic but education works and it’s the ones that don’t become statistics that are saved and the long term attitudinal change of Australian driver’s will be the real benefiter. You can never start too young and the Government should as a matter of urgency be pouring money into it and road users may start to feel something good is coming from all the money raised from traffic violations instead of seeing it as a greedy revenue stream.
i agree, you don't need a v8 to get into troubleQuote:
Originally Posted by Pickles
it's not like it's the government's place to tell us how to live anyway. despite all the movies about evil govts taking over every aspect of our lives, i think when the day comes, people will be applauding it when it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattnsw
A bit of quick googling throws up some interesting results.
1) Between ages 17-19 the risk of death in an accident is about 4 times higher than for the population generally.
2) Far more fatal crashes occur at night rather than during the day. Weekends have higher crash rates than during the week.
3) Far more fatal crashes occur when there are multiple passengers, especially when under age 20.
4) Males are far more likely than females to be involved in fatal crashes when under the age of 20.
Interesting.
P platers shouldn't be allowed to drive v6s as far as I'm concerned....
how about we just ban everyone from driving till there 30,Quote:
Originally Posted by NIXON
so your off your p plates who says that your mature enough to drive a v6 now you might not even be capable ov driving a 4 cylinder,Quote:
Originally Posted by NIXON
matt i think you have hit the nail on the head well said, another thing in vic is you can get an auto licenece on your p plates but once your off you dont need to retest in a manual you automicly get a manual oneQuote:
Originally Posted by mattnsw
I had an interesting conversation with a car salesman today(NSW).He reckons if there is only 1 car in the family if you pay a $35 fee the kid can drive anything they want-he said his kid is already doing it on his P's.I going to check with the RTA.But I still don't want my kid in a V8 no matter how well she can drive-she not experienced enough
Lol pull your head in clown, what the **** has this got to do with me, it's about inexperienced p plate drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by tacka007
I know guys that were fighter pilots at 19 yet they couldnt drive a v8.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_t
These laws discriminate and that's a fact. If you have the education and can pass appropriate testing age should not be a restriction. Easy for us older kent's to just ban them. What do we care it doesn't effect us. But that doesn't make it right.
Yep. Unfortunately, the idiots ruin for the rest of the population. As far as discrimination goes, I'm not sure where you're going with that. Of course we discriminate. Or should we open driver's licence testing to 10 year olds. I'm sure there's a number of them that could pass the test. How about drinking alcohol? Not letting under 18 year olds drink alcohol without their parents' supervision can't be fair on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca_779
How do we develop a test that assesses whether people will dickheads on the road?
As previously stated, even a piece of crap car has the potential to do damage but a car that does 0-100km in 5 seconds is still a higher risk than a 1.3 litre Toyota or something, especially when in the hands of an inexperienced driver or someone with an underdeveloped frontal lobe that lacks the ability to properly assess risk. Again, refer to the motorcycle LAMS graduated licencing system. A bike is less forgiving than a car for errors. It would be ridiculous to allow new, inexperienced riders to go straight to a 200hp superbike
I'd hazard a guess that alcohol was a pretty big factor in a number of those crashes too.Quote:
Originally Posted by VYBerlinaV8
The education SHOULD start at school, if the gubberment were for real,
very recently a young girl, P plater was killed here texting,how teribble.
When i was young,you got your licence in your wheatbix packet,basicly,
didn,t get much education,or much assesment of driving.
Things are much better these days,but more education of consequences ,might give people at least the chance to think a bit.
well your the one that come out with the f****D up statment, so you never drove a v6 at all on your p plates.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIXON
It's not ****ed up at all, I drove a v6 on my green a few times, my parents car. The rest of the time I had a hg prem with a slug of a 186. All cars can go fast, but for p platers a v6 will get them there faster, refer to pic of the commodore with the side sliced open.Quote:
Originally Posted by tacka007
I don't give a **** if they wanna speed and kill themselves, but other road users are also at danger with all these heros driving around.
I think you can educate them as much as you like but it all comes down to mentality and unfortunately a really good percentage of boys just do not have it. I am terrified for when my 2 boys get their license I have been trying to drum into their heads from a young age that it only takes 1 split second of stupidity for them to be here no more while behind the wheel of a car. I don't think there is a quick fix or solution but banning v8s for P platers is definitely not the answer because as stated a little car is still quite capable of doing high speeds.
You appear to have a wee bit of trouble understanding the term "tongue in cheek" fella...Quote:
Originally Posted by AMADR8
The second part of the post was the serious bit. :idea:
(Thanks for telling us all just how quickly you over-react though)
Australia has a population of over 20 million people, of which maybe half are able to drive. There will ALWAYS be a fair level of "discrimination" when you have to regulate this many people.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca_779
Turns out the research has already been done, finding that high power to weight ratio cars have little to do with the over representation of young drivers in fatal crashes.
http://www.roadwise.asn.au/news/factsheets/youngdriverfactsheet/file/at_download
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Contrary to popular myth, young drivers areno more at risk of death or serious injury by driving powerful cars than other drivers.
• In 2006, drivers aged 17-24 years represented 14% of all WA licence holders, but accounted for 33% of all fatalities and 28% of all hospitalised casualties.
• WA research showed that between 1999 and 2000, only 3% of young driver crashes involved vehicles with a high power to weight ratio (PWR)*.
• Even small cars with a low PWR* can easily achieve speeds high enough to kill or seriously injure a driver, their passenger or other road users.
• During 2006, 50% of drivers and riders involved in fatal crashes where speed was a factor were aged between 17 and 24 years of age.
• It is not high powered vehicles that cause crashes, it is the fact that inexperienced drivers speed in vehicles of all types which is largely responsible for their over representation in crash statistics.
we must be doing somthing right we had the lowest road toll in 2011 since 1946 with god knows how many more cars and people on the road, yet we are never praised for the efforts, why doesnt aca do a report on that,
the large majority of people dying on the roads dont follow any of the laws ( drunk, speeding, high powered car, to many people in the car or all of the above) so doesnt really matter what the law is unless they catch them before they crash.
Nice find Evman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Evman