Fpv gt rspec

I actually don't mind the colour scheme, the wheels are a bit much but as an earlier poster pointed out, the peeps who buy one what's it to stand out - and stand out it does! The bit where they lose me is in lack of increase in engine performance. If FPV are going to release a new version of their current car and call it an "R Spec" (presumably their new top of the line performance vehicle) then why not also say "f*ck it" and up it to say 350kw and maybe charge an extra 8-10G instead of 6? And whack those Brembo's on as standard.
HSV do the same thing. Why o why does the GTS have the same engine output as no less than 5 (out of 8, mind you) of the remainder of HSV's Commodore range? It's their current top of the line performance car and therefore should be up above the rest in terms of performance. My guestimate would put it at about 340kw.

It seems to me that if you are going to release a product that is an improved version of the same old thing that you've been selling for years, and you are going to charge more for it, then the improvements should be across the whole product, not just just a little sprinkle of fairy dust here and there.

Having said all that - what would i know? Bloody things will probably sell like hotcakes! :)

Cheers
Chris

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Originally Posted by steve_t

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Ha ha ha!!...Here I am....been away for a few days.
Well, I guess it's a bit more of an "upgrade" than most of the "Sticker Specials" we've see from HSV over the years, and everyone knows that the car needed wider real rubber.
But none of what's on this car changes much...HSV's VE has a better chassis, better driving position, better seating, & every journo in the land has said the HSV is a better drive.
Of course, if being a tenth of a second or so quicker over the quarter floats your boat, well that's fine, it's just that things are a bit different, when ya start to go around corners.
Cheers, Pickles.

They still haven't made 4 piston rear brakes standard, so you have an R-spec with single piston rear brakes.
It would be interesting to see if they get close to the 4.5sec 0-100km/h claimed as the standard GT claimed 4.9sec but independent testing could only get mid 5's.
HSV also claimed sub 5 sec 0-100km/h with the E-series which couldn't be replicated in independent testing.

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Originally Posted by adr8

They still haven't made 4 piston rear brakes standard, so you have an R-spec with single piston rear brakes.
It would be interesting to see if they get close to the 4.5sec 0-100km/h claimed as the standard GT claimed 4.9sec but independent testing could only get mid 5's. HSV also claimed sub 5 sec 0-100km/h with the E-series which couldn't be replicated in independent testing.

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Have driven a couple of the 335 FPV's .....Great cars to drive, amazing power for a factory built car
BUT... The lack of traction off the line lets them down big time, they just spin the wheels and go nowhere, it is almost like driving in the wet,
the first time I drove one I pulled over to check that the tyres were not bald.
They had the "Black" edition and also the "Panther" editions which have a revised suspension and wider rear tyre setup which was supposed
to have fixed the traction problems and it sounds like the RSpec has the same setup.
(The Black and the Panther are supposed to be around .5 second quicker over the quarter mile)

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

They had the "Black" edition and also the "Panther" editions which have a revised suspension and wider rear tyre setup which was supposed
to have fixed the traction problems and it sounds like the RSpec has the same setup.

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Black edition is a sticker pack with other stuff painted black, no other additions to the car, this new Rspec is the car code named Panther.

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Originally Posted by FOON

Black edition is a sticker pack with other stuff painted black, no other additions to the car, this new Rspec is the car code named Panther.

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I think you might be right and I may have been confusing the "Black on black Concept" car that they had at the motor shows, they did tests on this and it had the wider 9.5 inch rear tyres and suspension upgrades.
Never seen a "Black" in real life but I remember reading an article saying that there was a "Black edition" with all the stuff to fix their lousy traction problems.

Here is an article with some details of the black concept car.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/520...nal-motor-show

I was perhaps thinking the "Black" was the same car released.

Yeah, just done some more reading and trawling.... The "Black" they ended up releasing was not
the same as the "Black" (concept) they were showing off and doing testing on last year when they released the Black Edition.
Still can't find the road test on the car I was thinking of, it had all the results with the bigger wheels, tyres and suspension.
Hope I can find it later and post it up because I reckon it was quite an interesting report.

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Originally Posted by Pickles

Ha ha ha!!...Here I am....been away for a few days.
Well, I guess it's a bit more of an "upgrade" than most of the "Sticker Specials" we've see from HSV over the years, and everyone knows that the car needed wider real rubber.
But none of what's on this car changes much...HSV's VE has a better chassis, better driving position, better seating, & every journo in the land has said the HSV is a better drive.
Of course, if being a tenth of a second or so quicker over the quarter floats your boat, well that's fine, it's just that things are a bit different, when ya start to go around corners.
Cheers, Pickles.

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And better bedroom wall posters :)

Well, from reading the latest "Wheels", it appears that there has been quite a substantial amount of work carried out on the suspension of this car....different spring rates, roll bars, bushings, alignment etc etc.....so I'm going to be really interested to see how it's "revised" handling & driveability, compares with the GTS......surely such a test comparison will be published very shortly.
Cheers, Pickles.

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Originally Posted by Pickles

Well, from reading the latest "Wheels", it appears that there has been quite a substantial amount of work carried out on the suspension of this car....different spring rates, roll bars, bushings, alignment etc etc.....so I'm going to be really interested to see how it's "revised" handling & driveability, compares with the GTS......surely such a test comparison will be published very shortly.
Cheers, Pickles.

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One would hope fpv is over hsv winning out on comparisons with their apparent better overall package when fpv has a far dominant drive train


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One would hope fpv is over hsv winning out on comparisons with their apparent better overall package when fpv has a far dominant drive train


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Mate, I disagree that FPV has a "Far Dominant" drivetrain. Yes the Miami 335 has marginally more power, & maybe, in some circumstances, (perfectly dry staight road..drag race) but in all other circumstances, the car is slower.....or rather...it has been to date. That's why I mentioned a "comparison" GTS/FPV.
HSV is still, of course, using the venerable LS3, which IMHO is an absolutely brilliant engine. Sure the Miami has 8KW more.....that is not "dominant" in my book.....but I think I know what you mean.....so yes....it DOES have more power.......and I'm sure we are all aware that it's taken a Supercharger to get there....to get that 8KW "advantage".....and that's all it is, in my book anyway, an "advantage"...and boy, didn't FPV need it...the previous "Boss" engine was a boat anchor.
So yes, FPV have gone smaller capacity with F.I., which is what many manufacturers, AMG, BMW, etc etc are doing.....I reckon HSV will go down this track too, because GM have a 5.5L (Gen V is it) in the wings...don't think it's in a car yet, but I think next year, it will be. So, that's probably what they'll do, but there is a chance, that I've posted about already, that HSV were going to produce a S/C car for their 25th Anniv......I was really confident about it.....but looks like I was wrong....because I've heard nothing recently, although I do know that Commodores with the AWESOME LSA (6.2 S/C) have been whizzing around Lang Lang.
So HSV can go F.I. anytime they want, & I reckon they will.....when they see the need. In the meantime though, I really don't hear too many complaining about the LS3....I've bumped into a couple of mates lately....one's bought a Grange, the other a Senator......both really happy....no worries at all about power.
So yep, 8KW "advantage"?......For sure...but FPV REALLY needed "something" didn't they?...Well now they've got a ripper engine.
I'll be really interested in the GTS/RSpec comparison?
Cheers, Pickles.

I don't think it's just 8kw though I'm pretty sure Ford is massively under rating them and of course forced induction motors typically put out a much better tourqe spread, but the biggest thing going for current fpv's is they don't look like the E3 so that's going to win sales as well.

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I would disagree again, sorry Pickles...FPV does have a better drivetrain, and have since the BF's emerged, just in my opinion. My VE SSV's drive train in comparison is pathetic to say the least.

Again, in my opinion....HSV have had a better chassis setup and have historically had better V8's, but FPV's supercharged engine is a cracker, trust me I own one. The Boss 335 just doesn't have marginally more power, it has a fair whack of more power, restricted beyond belief.

The engine just feels more potent and alive when compared to a GTS, my best mate and I have swapped cars numerous times (FPV GT 335 and a E3 GTS), and we both agree the GT's engine and auto combo feel much better than the GTS. The GTS's weakest link in my view is the engine and gearbox (auto)

If HSV and FPV got together and transferred the Boss 335 engine and gearbox into the HSV you would have one great car!!!

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Originally Posted by Nutter

I don't think it's just 8kw though I'm pretty sure Ford is massively under rating them and of course forced induction motors typically put out a much better tourqe spread, but the biggest thing going for current fpv's is they don't look like the E3 so that's going to win sales as well.

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Correct, mine made 318 rwkw when new with 2,000kms on the clock, im sure by now with 30,000kms it has opened up a bit.

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I would disagree again, sorry Pickles...FPV does have a better drivetrain, and have since the BF's emerged, just in my opinion. My VE SSV's drive train in comparison is pathetic to say the least.

Again, in my opinion....HSV have had a better chassis setup and have historically had better V8's, but FPV's supercharged engine is a cracker, trust me I own one. The Boss 335 just doesn't have marginally more power, it has a fair whack of more power, restricted beyond belief.

The engine just feels more potent and alive when compared to a GTS, my best mate and I have swapped cars numerous (FPV GT 335 and a E3 GTS), and we both agree the GT's engine and auto combo feel much better than the GTS. The GTS's weakest link in my view is the engine and gearbox (auto)

If HSV and FPV got together and transferred the Boss 335 engine and gearbox into the HSV you would have one great car!!!

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Yes agreed.:goodjob:
I have driven both, the FPV's drivetrain is heaps better in the engine and gearbox in my opinion as well.
Also there have been plenty of the new 335 FPV's putting out 320+rwkw on dyno's straight off the showroom floor
which has led many people to believe that FPV has under stated their power in a massive way.
I have also seen the results on a few with a bit of tuning and they respond very well.:goodjob: