Dear Holden, I'm not happy.....

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Originally Posted by macca_779

BMW has fantastic device integration and a decent jack. Yet the average BMW driver is arguably less likely to ever change a tyre than a commodore driver would. Holden used to have a good jack. If these are the things they do to save a buck, it's quite pathetic and right up there with deleting globes in glove boxes


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I guess people paying 50-60K for their small, low powered imported cars should be getting something "better" for their money hey...;)
Let's not even talk about many recent BMW's with their harsh ride from crap run flat tyres and cheap looking interiors with almost no storage space- if you want to compare apples and oranges and all.

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

I guess people paying 50-60K for their small, low powered imported cars should be getting something "better" for their money hey...;)
Let's not even talk about many recent BMW's with their harsh ride from crap run flat tyres and cheap looking interiors with almost no storage space- if you want to compare apples and oranges and all.

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Yeah because all that money goes to BMW not towards import taxes. Get an idea davo. A GTS in Europe is banging on M5 money. Does it get a better jack then?


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Macca must have nothing better to do today than follow davo all over the forum...:lmao:

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

Macca must have nothing better to do today than follow davo all over the forum...:lmao:

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I just read new posts and add my bit. You are the top troll so it is somewhat inevitable.


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Oh dear....
To the OP, if it's so important, write an email directly to Holden Customer Assistance voicing your opinion.

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

Let's be honest- 95% of people will use their roadside assistance to fix it, and pretty much the same 95% wouldn't have even looked to see if their car has an alloy spare, a steel spare, a space saver, or a compressor and can of goo. Hell, it's even too much work for most owners these days to even check oil levels, washer bottle levels, and tyre pressures every month. Where's that bonnet release? :eek:
Many cars are increasingly "fixing" the p!ss weak jack issue by getting rid of it altogether. Trust me, it's far more common than many people probably realise...

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I should probably just leave this alone, but at some point you just have to say something. Your unsubstantiated quoted figures and broad, sweeping, unfounded statements are getting a little boring, repetitive and bland.

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Originally Posted by macca_779

BMW has fantastic device integration and a decent jack. Yet the average BMW driver is arguably less likely to ever change a tyre than a commodore driver would. Holden used to have a good jack. If these are the things they do to save a buck, it's quite pathetic and right up there with deleting globes in glove boxes


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no not really , because for the Euro driver changing a wheel is part of the licencing process ( Italy , Switzerland and Germany that I know )

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Originally Posted by XUV

no not really , because for the Euro driver changing a wheel is part of the licencing process ( Italy , Switzerland and Germany that I know )

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Very true, but I was more referring to here where BMW is more of a premium brand and the driver is more likely to have road side assist and use it.


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Originally Posted by macca_779

Very true, but I was more referring to here where BMW is more of a premium brand and the driver is more likely to have road side assist and use it.


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yes , true , but , BMW would know that their customers would be more likely to change a tyre ,
therefore would make the jack more usable/user friendly .

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Originally Posted by XUV

yes , true , but , BMW would know that their customers would be more likely to change a tyre ,
therefore would make the jack more usable/user friendly .

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Good point


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Its a minimalist device to get you out of trouble on a very rare occasion and it does the job, would you rather Holden save money by having less comfort features or poorer safety options?
I've had the last 4 new Holden models and never had to use the jack once so its not really something you have to put up with.
Its funny how some people who dont even have a VE seem to have the biggest sook and the same people who bag anything possible that Holden do.

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Originally Posted by BEARWOOD

Its a minimalist device to get you out of trouble on a very rare occasion and it does the job, would you rather Holden save money by having less comfort features or poorer safety options?
I've had the last 4 new Holden models and never had to use the jack once so its not really something you have to put up with.
Its funny how some people who dont even have a VE seem to have the biggest sook and the same people who bag anything possible that Holden do.

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You could just about anywhere with this. ABS is something that I rarely use, but Id rather they not skimp on that either. When you are jacking up a 1800kg car with the shit jack they give you, Id rather they spent the extra and gave me something reliable and easy to use. Ive changed the wheel on my VE twice, and both times it was a frustrating experience.

Who are the "some people" you are referring to exactly?

edit: not needing the jack and just calling NRMA etc is a fairly "city" way of looking at it too. When you are several hundred KM's from the nearest town, and its going to be 2-3hours for NRMA tell me most people wouldn't at least have a go at changing the tyre...

edit: removed safe, as I am sure Holden at least had the thing tested.

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Originally Posted by SSer

not needing the jack and just calling NRMA etc is a fairly "city" way of looking at it too. When you are several hundred KM's from the nearest town, and its going to be 2-3hours for NRMA tell me most people wouldn't at least have a go at changing the tyre...

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You are spot on there, for us city dwellers road side assistance is much more accessable than in the bush, outside of the metro areas you'd have to be a lot more patient or willing to have a go yourself.

Ill add in that my lancer 2010 has almost the exact same jack as the holdens, Had a flat and had to jack up the car twice in one day. Lets just say that besides the fact id almost ground my knuckles off I was feeling it on my hands for a few weeks after. Informed the service department of the shit jack to be told "you get free roadside service for 3 years why didn't you use that instead"

I had the displeasure of changing a tyre on my VY and before the righgt rear was even off the ground, the unused holden jack thread shattered and dropped the car. I shudder to think what the outcome would have been if I had managed to get the tyre off and had my hands in the wrong place and I'm not talking about down my pants!

Holden wanted 140 bucks for a new one and refused to replace the jack saying I must have over loaded it. Thing is rated at 1600kg safe lifting capacity but cant even lift 1/4 of a Commodore? Turn it up Holden.