VF Commodore revealed - Official details and pics from post #216 onwards

Given all the new tech/hardware (and associated weight), the 40kg reduction in overall weight is fairly impressive.

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Originally Posted by macca_779

So I'm going to throw this out there.. Chev badges on SS's ok now? Hell its being released there first

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Nope lol......

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Originally Posted by macca_779

Now this is funniest thing I've read in a while. ROFL

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Haha so true lol

HRT VF Racecar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMTXK66L8xI

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Originally Posted by Evman

Saw one on an Astra a while ago :doh:

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Technically legit, they were sold as Chevs in South America :)

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Originally Posted by Plenty

Yep mentioned that before, not technically legal yet and not technically safer, more a convenience thing to ensure 100% correct fitment of restraint.

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Wife has been looking into isofix for a while now and as far as I know the main feature of it is rear facing the child for longer reduces the instance of neck injuries in children. Australia's current system is great but only rear faces for 6 or so months. Isofix is 4 or so years. Wife has looked into crash injury statistics for children in Australia for 6 months to 4 years our numbers are by far poorer than countries with isofix. If you had data that showed otherwise the wife would love to look at it.

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Originally Posted by macca_779

Now this is funniest thing I've read in a while. ROFL

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I don't like the new livery...too much white.
Cheers, Pickles.

I’ve been very critical of Holden over the past few years as I genuinely felt they were killing the Commodore by simply not keeping pace with the overseas competition but I’m blown away with this effort.

A huge thumbs up and I hope it takes off in the USA. Its success there may well influence any decisions on the future viability of rear wheel drive V8 sedans for Australia.

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Originally Posted by C4B

They've definitely struck a better chord with the Calais this time around. All previous iterations have been "grandpa" cars and their resale values have reflected that.

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Dunno, The VZ Calais did not really look like a grandpa car, it had a bit of a sporty look to it.

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Originally Posted by SCiFiRE

I feel sorry for Holdens social media team. Check the first reply on Holdens Google+ post:
https://plus.google.com/105660831944...ts/8WwJxiQV14v
Just... wow...
There is really a vicious hate-streak for locally made product in this country, and it's really f**king sad. Both Holden and Ford build fantastic, world class cars. Cars that are reviewed favourably by professional motoring press locally AND internationally... Yet there's so much negative energy and misinformation about them in the public eye... It really disappoints me.

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It was the same on facebook as well, a few negative comments on there. Could not believe it really.

It is sad. And not good for the local industry, and for Holden which is trying to bounce back with the VF.

Whats caused it? The media? Aussie cars being associated with unrefinement and bogans? Well, VF certainly proves that stereotype wrong in many ways. I reckon Holden have done an amazing job with the VF. Class, quality, and tech like never before.

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Originally Posted by Marco

Technically legit, they were sold as Chevs in South America :)

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This isn't South America though :p

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Originally Posted by VL Executive

It was the same on facebook as well, a few negative comments on there. Could not believe it really.

It is sad. And not good for the local industry, and for Holden which is trying to bounce back with the VF.

Whats caused it? The media? Aussie cars being associated with unrefinement and bogans? Well, VF certainly proves that stereotype wrong in many ways. I reckon Holden have done an amazing job with the VF. Class, quality, and tech like never before.

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I'm not sure... The 'bogan' thing certainly is a big part of it... and we all know the Commodore is pretty popular with the idiot crowd, but then again so are a lot of Jap-jets but Subaru and Nissan don't seem to drum up the hate. The motoring media has always been positive of the local large cars... But I think the mainstream media has takes some blame, jumping all over the locals at the nearest sign of distress and blowing it up... I mean, there's all the doom and gloom talk when Commodore and Cruze are still two of the top selling cars in the country.

I guess the small imports have been touch and go recently but I don't understand how it warrants such angry hatred. Maybe it is the classist thing... everyone wants their McMansion, massive plasma TVs, and imported car.... Honestly, I really just don't understand it.

Sorry HSV but I just want one. I will be very interested in the pricing strategy this will decide if they get the private buyer back or not. As already mentioned I cant see the Berlina name hanging around anymore. The Calais is seen as the Berlina and the Calais V the Calais in my eyes anyway the Berlina is redundant.

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Originally Posted by Woodchukka

Wife has been looking into isofix for a while now and as far as I know the main feature of it is rear facing the child for longer reduces the instance of neck injuries in children. Australia's current system is great but only rear faces for 6 or so months. Isofix is 4 or so years. Wife has looked into crash injury statistics for children in Australia for 6 months to 4 years our numbers are by far poorer than countries with isofix. If you had data that showed otherwise the wife would love to look at it.

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Let me clarify, Isofix is actually not "safer" in terms of outright crash performance, where it does have the advantage and i suppose makes it a safer option is the fact that it is tethered mechanically rather than just feeding a seat belt through. Seatbelts unless checked frequently which not many do are very prone to loosening and whilst appearing tight on one side are actually very loose on the other, Isofix prevents this and thus keeps it a safer option.

The takeup has been very slow with only 15% of car seats made equipped with Isofix, it's kinda like Sunscreen in the US, SPF 100+ is available yet like our car seats the government is slow to adopt, only now allowing SPF 50+; but that's a whole new thread for a boring day. lol

I guess it looks quite good. Though i am keen to see the SS and HSV versions. Still, lots of 'VE' left in its looks ( as you would expect ).

SO everyone is soo concerned about the 'look', that no onehas asked as to what the specs are, ie what is the vehicles weight? How much
weight did they save from the alluminium panels, and how much weight saved overall (i would assume there was also some weight gained
from the extra gadgetry etc)????