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EVs... clean?
naaah, Tesla is in the s*#t again... dumping toxic waste from production of vehicles and the state of California is NOT happy Jan! :flipoff:
https://goauto.com.au/news/tesla/cal...-01/92957.html
Well no worries in Aussie, We've got "Crazy" Chris Bowen, spouting absolute nonsense every day, telling us Our problems are solved,....Yeah right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
yes...Martin. Drivel and dribbles from those in power in Canbra :flamin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pickles
and conversely Duttons latest today ... is that the new fuel standards for Oz (cleaner, better refined fuels to meet Euro standards) which aim to drive down fuel consumption and also vehicle emmissions and
let the car makers bring in vehicles that need better fuel will mean car drivers will now use more fuel and pay more than ute drivers. Huh??? He called this a fuel tax on car drivers
had to read that press release a few times to realize he has NFI about what he is talking about ....:doh:
Harry has some interesting reasons why he has not bought another EV in this video. :goodjob:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZysvgm2_Aw
about time someone did a video like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
Yeah, I had never thought about the battery life going down hill over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goggles
One of the cars the other guy had tested in the video was around 50% loss of battery range over a few years
& so many of the vehicles did not get even close to the advertised range in everyday driving even when new.
a big YES to that comment as I found.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
Not long after release, I got offered a Tesla Model Y for a few days and over the weekend (hand it back 4 days later on the Monday)
Drove it to work on 2 days, to the supermarket and kids sport on Saturday and the Sunday.. nice day lets go to Ballaarat and
see how it goes.
Well it didn't... the promised range by the Tesla fleet vehcile supplier (remember this was basically a new car) was AT LEAST 500km
before recharging would be needed and Ballaarat was about 250-260km return from home. Should be no worries.
I had done maybe 100-130kms around town so Ballaarat return should be a doddle .... but it was not to be. Warnings, warning lights
... lots of them before we got near Melton on the return journey and it needed charging. 3 hours of my life wasted waiting at a public charger :mad:
before we could continue
I told the Tesla guy at the fleet sales place on the Monday about this ..... the guy accepting the car back just shrugged his shoulders when I told him
Lots of car makers with full battery EVs are spinning bulls*#t when it comes to kilometres travelled when fully charged... I won't have ( as a corporate
fleet manager) a bar of it and call this out when asked.
not only the battery life going down hill, but also the initial purchase costs and insurance costs as some EVs are seen as performance vehicles. then there is the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
yes we need to worry about climate change, but at what cost??
in a way this did happen as some of the first vehicles were electric.
maybe we are just going in circles again and again.
I see that the US Govt is backpeddaling on emissions targets :)
US to pull back emissions laws and electric car targets - Drive
haha.... CLASSIC! :dance:Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
Id be interested to know from the contributors in this thread how many have solar on their roof at home?
I have not got solar on my roof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toddler78
Yes, but only because it was there when we purchased the house.
I have solar
My last 1/4 bill was $1.82
Yes I do. It knocks about $350 p/qtr. (75% savings)
And my sparky brother installed it, so saved a bucket on best product and install
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Yeah, I read the article that accompanies this and it is full of excuses as to why it happened lol. Easter weekend (high demand), remote area a long way from city bla bla. I filled up our Calais Easter Friday morning and drove to Robe fully loaded, and then refilled at Kingston Sunday morning and drove home. No fuss, no cues and and no stress. Took me all of 10 minutes including getting us all Subway breakfast. If these EV actually have 500km range whey do they all need to charge in Keith? I reckon the long haul up the Heyson tunnels would sort out a bit of that range.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
PS...My Calais gets about 650 fully loaded 4 up with dog and boot full of luggage and esky. It is by no means a fuel efficient ICE vehicle.
Yeah I came onto this thread to post expecting that image.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
I am intrigued reading the posts on this thread rubbishing EVs and the excuses that they are just as expensive to run, they are bad for the environment the batteries degrade, the range isn't as advertised
I would argue that we have been just as environmentally irresponsible with dumping everything under the sun into landfill (before recycling was a thing) burning your household waste in your incinerator in the back yard (for the real oldies) pouring engine oil into the ground and putting some dirt over it to get rid of it etc.
the reason for my solar question, was the solar panels also degrade over time some more then others and whilst they do have a 20/25yr warranty it doesn't really mean sh1t at the end of the day. You would be lucky to get the advertised kW generated a day as what is told to you when signing up ( I know I used to design and sell the stuff, I always underquoted/undersold the performance for fear of misrepresentation.)
In regards to the environmental impact I personally don't care nor am I looking at purchasing one to save the environment. My reason for purchasing one is purely selfish, there is a FBT deduction and also my time is important to me If I don't have to stop at a servo for 5mins every week/twice a week and don't have to pay the $150 to fill up the monaro that to me is worth looking at going electric. Im not gonig to get rid of the monaro but for everyday commuting I would rather an EV then a ICE car. just have to park it at home and put it on charge.
Worth a look if you have time. Not bad longevity, but the range is next to nothing at this stage. Still be ok for a grocery getter though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRuJJtmN3fc
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Originally Posted by Toddler78
Yeah Todd, I remember you used to work for a place that sold solar,
about 10 years ago as I am sure you would remember I phoned you and asked your opinion on getting it installed on my place
& it was your honesty about all the unknowns at that time which convinced me not to get it.
I also know that all these places selling the stuff these days give you huge guarantees
but most of them are small business that have only been around for 5 minutes
so who can guarantee they will be around for or how they would handle any claims a few years down the track?
Hey at the end of the day this is only a light hearted thread where we can have a laugh, it's not full serious & 100% factual.
to me this pic represents whitegoods on wheels, aside from the random black one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
Whilst we are having a light hearted chat about EV's and Solar, has anyone here got a battery installed in their house? I cannot help but keep hearing the constantly repeated warnings every day on MMM radio that if you have an LG Solar Lithium battery installed that you must urgently check if it is one of the ones that may catch fire without warning. Apparently there is a National safety warning on them.
I know what hail did to my poor old ute a couple of years ago, but this is just absolute carnage. Imagine if you were relying on them to run your house or car and the back up systems ie Coal and Gas are just distant memories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcxZRKe4VcQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcxZRKe4VcQ
we don't have solar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toddler78
when our hot water system (large electric tank) failed in 2018, we contacted our energy provider and were only offered two options - another electric tank or continuous gas.
we chose continuous gas as it was quite common at the time (with five adults in the house) to run out of hot water with the electric tank.
not only that, when the failed electric tank was emptied, it took 45 minutes which means that over the life of the tank, a lot of water had been heated and re-heated costing us money.
would we consider solar now? yes, if it was a viable option. the ACT Govt will not allow gas connections (for anything) by 2045, so we have a bit of time, unless the continuous gas system we have at the moment fails.
This happened a suburb away from my parents place, a crash between a Tesla Model 3 and a Subaru Forester. Being social media, people went crazy.
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After seeing this photo, a heap of self proclaimed "expect" car people had been educating everyone else on how dangerous Electric Cars are due to this very reason, and how you shouldn't risk a fire and stick with ICE cars. Then these follow up photos were posted.
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A few people went quiet after that. Tesla was fine. Subaru not so much. Scorched the ground :doh:
Edit: I should have added, no one was hurt luckily. So, it was alright to have a giggle about people getting all aggressive about the electric car burning to the ground but then having a bit of egg on their face. ;) :lol:
.... then we have lack of commonsense with charging
seriously !
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Well, imagine having to leave your expensive trailer setup on the side of the road while you duck off and charge after losing nearly 50 percent of your range due to towing in the first place lol. Fkcu people must be willing to make life hard for themselves just to say they are saving the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
That could also fit in the sh1t parkers thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLACK 346
I wonder what the battery range would be towing what looks like quite a heavy trailer?
Another point is that the electric cars I know of do not have very high legal towing capacity,
as far as I know the Tesla Model 3 (pictured) has a 1,00kg braked maximum towing capacity & that trailer looks as though it might well exceed it's legal limit.
See Redbook: Open the "Specifications" then go to "Dimensions & weights" here... https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/deta...TM-630412?Cr=6
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Didn't need to be rocket surgeon to predict this.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/m...e253f692f137c5
agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLACK 346
I wonder what will happen to the ban on the sales of new fossil fueled cars in a decade or so?
A boom in the second hand car market and any business involved in keeping them on the road?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goggles
Very interesting, but not surprising, & not what we hear from the increasingly irrational "Blackout" Bowen & his greeny/lefty rabble.Quote:
Originally Posted by SASLS1
I think many are starting to wake up relative to EV cars, things like resale value, battery life/replacemement cost, and a woeful lack of charging stations, are all becoming increasingly evident.
The current argument which I find flawed is that a Tesla battery will last 300k miles before needing to be changed and that a standard ICE will need the same for a similar distance (then the usual, it needs a clutch or gearbox as well etc etc).
That argument will work on non car people, I think EV people fail to understand or choose not to, that even standing still chemically their battery is deteriorating. I won't be able to buy a 10 year old EV that is a viable option, it will need a battery pack. A 10 or even 20 year old Camry might have 150k on it, but still be a completely serviceable vehicle.
I like the idea of EV for certain use cases, my wife for example never drives more than 50km per day.. so can charge over night at home. Still resale kills that.. can't buy a $50K EV and then eat $30-40K of depreciation over 5 years. For me to switch the daily over, I would probably want better energy density vs weight, faster charging and likely legislation that will force some commonality for the battery storage components.
There is the whole other challenge of getting the energy to where it needs to be (I work in energy distribution industry at the supplier level) is a large endeavor and tokenistic at best atm. Short of running transmission lines down every major highway, with the Renewable Energy Zones connected and some form of mass storage (Snowy Hydro 5.0??) It is a bit of a slog to imagine 50 cars sitting at superchargers pulling 75-100kwh each and taking 30 mins to top up.