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Im not sure that the 3.0L is a dog its just not as enthusastic as the marketing gurus made the engine out to be.
While the gearbox does hunt around a bit overall the car is about the same as the model it replaced with a little more refinement (and only a little)
At the end of the day Holden gives us 3 choices of engine, buy the car that suits your driving and financial needs.
Hype does often fail to meet expectations, especially to "enthusiusts"...:hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by ryno
For the various negative posters, we could have had the non sidi 2.8 they've been fitting to some overseas Statesman's for a while...:teach:
lets be honest. Many on here say the 3.0 commodore is not meant to be compared to the aurion or falcon. But its priced the same so it should be compared.
The last decent 6 made by holden is the old supercharged v6. It might have only 170kw but 380nm at 3000rpm = goodbye sidi.
Doesnt really surprise me.
I didnt think the old 195 alloytech was that underpowered anyway?:confused:
Even the 175 seemed pretty decent.
Maybe you lot need to grow up a bit and stop looking at them like they are sports cars :stick:
I agree with you Michael. For a everyday driver/cruiser the 175-195/SIDI are perfect! plenty of go and still a lot of fun to drive. If you are after every pony out of an engine just buy a V8 as simple as that. Never understood the argument about a V6 vs V8. At the end of the day the sixes will never achieve all that much power that most people are hunting for. Yet They still have enough power to get up and go and lose your license 3x over. IMO the SIDI would have me satisfied until i grow up and can get behind the wheel of a V8 (i want to be atleast 25 years old.)Quote:
Originally Posted by michaels1v8
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Originally Posted by HULK_BA
haha, you just gave yourself away... again! Piss off back to the ford forums.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. :flip2:
For starters the SIDI is an NA engine, so uses MUCH less fuel, whilst still being able to flog the super six in its DOWNTUNED state!!
It's better then the 4.0l na ford barra in terms of performance and fuel also. Best Holden V6
This threads useless anyway so I may as well go a little o/t, on my way to my car after returning from the UAE at the end of Jan I spotted several XR6's in the Melb airport Avis carpark amongst all the SV6's. No Omega's were obvious so the fleet is definately up specced now as you pointed Davo, bear in mind I landed at 11.30pm after 14 hrs although it was 1st class (very, very lucky) I could have sworn that they were purely Holden in Vic in the large class since I ever began hiring cars in 1983. I think the bigger issue for Holden is whether the export markets can pick-up so money can be spent on the next major upgrades. I think Lutz has lost his influence completely and having come back from the UAE that area isn't going to pick-up for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
Update: he recently took it to Calder - as far as I know he'd never had any car at the drags before. He just drove it in off the street on 20s.
His comments follow: First run didn’t warm the tires for the take off, wasn’t keen on smoking 20’s, so just drove straight through the wet patch they put down and took off at the green light, wheel span 1st and 2nd gear massively (flippen wet tires) and ran a 15.41 at 148km/h, crossed the line almost hitting rev limiter in 3rd.
Second run i dropped the tire pressures, smoked the tires at the start line, and just before the light turned green i thought it might be a good idea to turn traction control on (it was a bad idea)! Car carried on like an old woman off the line, bogged down and felt like was gonna stall, and when i grabbed second gear the traction kicked in again and bogged down on the gear change. Still that run it did a 14.98 at 156km/h crossing the line in 4th.
Lining up for the 3rd run a car decided to blow up half track in a big ball of fire and oil all over the track so didn’t get to run again.
Not a bad time for a novice running on 20s with a stock V6 - obviously room for improvement. :)
thats damn good, considering he has no experience, what size tyres on the back? 245/35/20?
When he gets abit of practice, a 14.5 wouldn't be too hard I imagine.
Not bad for a v6 considering the low torque they output and having to pull a fat ve around.
As powerfull as these 6's are these days. Torque and power to weight always prevail. Moral of the story 200 odd kw today doesn't get you as far as it used to as my old vn ss was quicker with only 180kw
I think so, will check next time I see him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuzman89
Similar performance from a family friendly V6 motor whilst using around two thirds the fuel, perhaps even less. The V8's will sh!t all over a VN V8 now, whilst using no more fuel than the VN, often less.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca_779
That's where the progress is.
Stock tune's in both and its actually pretty close Davo. When my Senator was stock it used more than my VN did. Approx 1.0L more per 100km on the highway.. Thats weight for ya. But I agree on progress. The fact that a heavy VE can get similar economy is astounding.Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo