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The same could probably be said about MX5's,but they have become popular with all ages and both sexes and this Toyota may end up as popularQuote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D
I like my SS and it is a great freeway cruiser,but sometimes wish it wasn't so big and clumsy and I had something smaller and lighter to drive in the city and enjoy in places like the national park's where the roads are tight and twisty
Good point, but 147kw isnt going to cut it in 2012
Does anyone buy (new) MX5s any more?
With another 10K on the price tag and the 220kw STi engine in place it would have been a ripper :)
I don't know if Toyota intended it as a performance car ex factory or as a drivers car to be enjoyed,they have left the door open for the "after market" guys to get stuck into itQuote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D
Another 10k on the price would have put it in a totally different market and may have made a big impression on sales.At 30k to start it is in the range of a lot more buyers who may not want the extra HP
Mention was made on the Colorado thread about GM's approach with their modelling being aimed more at family buyer's than the young at heart,imagine the sales GM could have with a car like the Toyota
Apparently the Subaru BRZ is not being supplied to journo's on a long term evaluation basis only to paying customer's as they feel the car will sell itself
10k aftermarket will get you far more than 220kw anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D
The aftermarket has already taken off, forced induction is the main agenda and then the usual bolt on bits. The Subaru boys are running around with hardons about the BRZ, I'd say Toyota fan club would be also. Two different factory tuning houses (sti/trd) who I'm sure will release limited numbers of go fast models plus the aftermarket will see some quick ones sooner than later.
The Ae86 was unknown here until mid/late 90s when every man and his dog had to have an import so the hype hasn't been as big to most of us. It's a rebirth of a cult car..... Has to be good, right?
Lets see them do it in OEM fashionQuote:
Originally Posted by Magnum9
Adding turbos to Zed cars, MX5s etc over the years has always resulted in average performance and tons of issues.
Its one thing to have a turbo bolted onto a car, and quite another to have it last laps.
These things wont tune up anywhere in NA form,
and being a Subaru engine they wont last a particularly long time if turbocharged....take it as read.
Toybaru missed the performance boat, however they will sell to tons of hairdressers, general metros, and overseas uni-students that hang fluffy mango gonks from the rear tow hook.
The point of releasing this car for Toyota was to bring back the heritage of the original AE86 and for them to turbocharge or supercharge would go against that in this particular car. Remember when the AE86 came out is 1983 every 'hot' japanese car was getting turbochargers, and yet this thing still gets talked about. Cars dont need to get break neck fast to be popular / get a cult following.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D
I wouldnt be surprised if Subaru realeased a turbo version but would be if Toyota did
I think Martin you are completely missing the point of this car. About the best performance car that I can think of in a similar price bracket would be the polo GTi. I dare say that in a straight line the 86 wouldn't be far off the pace but on a twisty road would leave the polo GTi for dead.
C'mon Martin, you of all people love the challenge of selling a turbo kit to the masses so this should be right up your alley....... Go back to the Chinese turbos and watch your GP% soar!!!
I'm pretty sure when you buy shoddy Shenzhen you dont get manufacturer's warranty so wouldn't RMA'd kkk turbos eat that GP right back up ?? :)
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The original AE86 had a ton more performance than a Volkswagen Golf of the era. Yet the new one measures up against a Polo?Quote:
Originally Posted by csv rulz
Wait till there are some lap times for this thing released before it gets to much of a rap for being a performance car. Doesnt it come with Pruis tyres to reduce outright grip? :eek:
The fact that it is generating discussion on LS1 forum suggests that this car is 'special' and has the enthusiast public interest. I for one have placed a deposit on one and can't wait to get my hands on it. As I've stated in a previous post, I love powerful cars, but from a perspective of percieved driver engagement, and overall packaging and practicality, this fits the bill for me.
Outright power is great, but if we look back to history, there have been many giant killers that have lacked in the killerwasp department, but made a significant impact in the enthusist psyche.
Not sure if serious or you are just trolling here Martin. For someone who carries a bit of weight in the auto scene of Australia I would have hoped for a bit less bias and talking down......Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_D
It is not and never has been marketed as a performance car. It is being marketed as a involving driver's car. Sure it might not throw you back in your seat but chuck it into some twisty stuff and the idea is it will have you grinning ear to ear. It is more fun driving a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
As for the tyres, the car was developed with the 'Prius tyres' (Prius tyres meaning not performance orientated) and as said by the cheif designer it will give the customer more satisfaction at fitting their own high performance tyres and noticing the difference.
Did they have a demo model available for a test drive,or was it do a deposit subject to a test drive when stock arrivesQuote:
Originally Posted by andrewslr
I went past 2 Toyota showrooms after hours and they had none in sight
Not when you can buy Garretts to replace your non warranted Shenzhens. Perfect business model there, no warranty and sell more product = more GP on your monthly P&LsQuote:
Originally Posted by jai