Labor vs Liberal NBN

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Originally Posted by Plenty

The standards are set for a qualified telecommunications cable installer, they are set to protect you as a licensed cable installer and the property owner. If the cables are not to be terminated into a network post telecommunications boundary ie. From the router to a personal computer, a licensed tradesman is not required.

Basically there is no set rules for non-energised LAN cables that are used after the Tele boundary. Saying that it's better to get a skilled/qualified installer but if your competent enough to terminate UTP or STP by yourself then i would do it myself.

Your do any Network Engineering course and they teach you how to terminate and run cable both in domestic and commercial environments and is quite legal unless it's energised or a direct connection to a provider.

A $5 cable tester from ebay will check the terminations as well as my $1100 CIQ-100 tester in a personal home use environment.

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My understanding was that any cabling in walls, roofs etc needs to be installed by a certified cabler, but the wording of the literature is a bit vague.

When you're building or doing a house install, why be a tight arse? Just get the job done properly by someone with the requisite experience. Sure you can do it yourself, but I doubt it's going to be as good of a job unless you already work in the field. The only really shitty work I've seen done is by sparkies or AV techs.

Plenty, why are we not all using $5 cable testers then? I've found my Fluke to be invaluable at fault finding in "perfectly fine" cable runs (as well as actually finding a cable!)

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Originally Posted by bozodos

My understanding was that any cabling in walls, roofs etc needs to be installed by a certified cabler, but the wording of the literature is a bit vague.

When you're building or doing a house install, why be a tight arse? Just get the job done properly by someone with the requisite experience. Sure you can do it yourself, but I doubt it's going to be as good of a job unless you already work in the field. The only really shitty work I've seen done is by sparkies or AV techs.

Plenty, why are we not all using $5 cable testers then? I've found my Fluke to be invaluable at fault finding in "perfectly fine" cable runs (as well as actually finding a cable!)

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I kinda explained that in my post, for the home/personal use ie. once off cable install by the home owner there is going to be fark all difference, used everyday or used for diagnoses of more complex LAN's etc well that's where units like the CIQ-100 come into play.

You are correct about running cables through the roof but like i said the standards only apply to licensed and qualified installers and/or energised cables directly or indirectly connected prior to the communications boundary.

You are also correct, if i was to build a house i would pay someone to do it as the cost is feathered out over the total but for someone that just wants to run a quick cable well i certainly wouldn't pay someone like me/you if they had a good idea of what to do.

Australian wiring superior to the US or UK ?
as in both countries allow you to install and wire your house for the mains.
In the UK you have proper inspections and you pay for them, if it is not
satisfactory you have to fix it and pay again.

Tell me the legalities of Queensland law where you can't even make a radio
or other project unless you are a licensed electrician.
The laws about pre existing wiring in Victoria come from the dark ages,
why not make Earth Leakage Protectors mandatory so we have some safety.
They had the opportunity to do it cheaply when installing smart meters.

I tried to get Work-Care to intervene about a project that used a 450KVA generator
with uninsulated welding terminals connected to 415v right next door to the welders
with the same plugs and sockets. The lazy pricks didn't care or want to know about it.
They were working on a very large steel cattle yard so one connection to the wrong point
could easily have killed 6 people.

Lots of laws are designed to protect monopolies like plumbers and electricians
and all professions.
You still have building workers spiking the metalized aluminum insulation with nails and
electrifying the whole cladding on the house.
You still don't have minimum standards for engineers creating dangerous products
and they are just lap dogs for their employers. How many people died do to Mistral
fan/heaters setting the house onfire, why weren't there tilt switches on radiant heaters ?

Anyone can wire their house with Ethernet, avoid the kinks and get a technician
to fit out the connectors if they are not able to do so.

Punching down and stripping the outer layer isn't hard. Make sure there are no nicks and keep the pairs twisted as close as possible to the terminations.
I've seen the "pros" strip cat 5e (tight arses) and not even use the string to pull back a further few centimetres to completely avoid any nicks on the pairs. Not like they were shallow cuts either not requiring any bending of the cable to pull the layer off.

I don't really give a flying phuck about data cabling laws I done an Austel course about 15 yrs ago & any dummy can pass it!!! As far as running network cable through a roof or walls is no real biggy as long as it aint run to close to any AC source eg min
segregation distance with nice smooth bends etc. As far as I'm concerned any cabling from a router is pretty safe for any DIY person with half a clue! All these cable coppers should get over themselves!!!

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Originally Posted by Micks

I don't really give a flying phuck about data cabling laws I done an Austel course about 15 yrs ago & any dummy can pass it!!! As far as running network cable through a roof or walls is no real biggy as long as it aint run to close to any AC source eg min
segregation distance with nice smooth bends etc. As far as I'm concerned any cabling from a router is pretty safe for any DIY person with half a clue! All these cable coppers should get over themselves!!!

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No cable coppers Micks just a mis understanding of personal vs professional rules.

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Originally Posted by feistl

Mike Quigley started his 36 year career in Alcatel research and development, and progressively took on more senior executive positions including being President and Chief Executive Officer of Alcatel USA.

In 2003, Mr Quigley became President of Alcatel's Fixed Communications Group in Paris, responsible for infrastructure products, including network switches and optical communications systems. In 2005, he was appointed Alcatel's President and Chief Operating Officer, overseeing 55,000 staff and operations in 130 countries.

Mr Quigley was educated at the University of NSW and graduated with a Bachelor of Science majoring in Mathematics and Physics, and a Bachelor of Engineering in Telecommunications.


Dont think its fair to say Mike Quigley is an "Unqualified Amateur". In fact, i would REALLY like to know who you recommend to take his place? From everything ive read about Mike, he is one of the very best in the industry (on a global level).

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What was the original estimate cost of the NBN and what is it now? Whether it be Mr Quigley or not, someone is grossly incompetent and I am more than happy to call a spade a spade.

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Originally Posted by HSVREDSLED

What was the original estimate cost of the NBN and what is it now? Whether it be Mr Quigley or not, someone is grossly incompetent and I am more than happy to call a spade a spade.

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Like $43B or something. I personally couldn't care less if it costs $60B. It's being funded by investors from the sale of bonds and "WILL" see a return. What ever is spent will be made back with interest gauranteed. So effectively the more they spend the larger the return.

Now if that extra expenditure meant higher rates than what we pay now to Hellstra. That would be one thing to say the government is over capitalising. But the facts are, end customer cost and wholesale pricing are less. So I really fail to see why anyone is whinging about the cost

Good reads for those who know little about the nbn.

Cost
http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/how-are-we-paying-for-it/

Lots of details
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/art...21/3695094.htm

SAMSUNG Electronics says it has successfully tested super-fast fifth-generation (5G) wireless technology that will eventually allow users to download an entire movie in one second.

Yesssss welllllll

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Originally Posted by lumina ss

SAMSUNG Electronics says it has successfully tested super-fast fifth-generation (5G) wireless technology that will eventually allow users to download an entire movie in one second.

Yesssss welllllll

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Good in theory but will still suffer from the same congestion problems as other wireless technologies. Over 1Gbps is pretty good going but that will diminish rapidly with increasing distance, like the article say it will complement the NBN not replace it.

The other problem with wireless is the cost of data, it is outrageous compared to fixed cable/wire.

I'm the same as a few of the blokes on here,
When i purchased my house the first thing I did was run an Ethernet Network to EVERY room in my house (CAT6), some rooms have two, lounge room has three, PC room more, the ability to have things "hardwired" is soooo much better, GB Switch to my modem and presto, I have a very solid and reliable home solution. (I even moved the phoneline to the cupboard where all my hardware is - oops/naughty lol).

As others have said, the limitations of WiFi shit me, I do alot of online car sim gaming, so WiFi is out for that, just not stable enough. My house is an EMF Hive, running 3 x smartphones, 2 x iPads, Laptop, 2 x PC's (1 gaming and 1 media) 4 smart TV's and the PS3. If all that was meant to be on Wifi, well it wouldnt be on there would it!

I think my network from memory cost me a total of roughly $400 including the Belkin GB Switch & CAT6 jacks @ $11 when they first came out. No cabling licence here,.,.,

Now for the figures people are posting about when the NBN will be paid back, seriously, how the hell could you believe any figures this government has placed in front of you? They have proven time and time and time and time and time and time again that they simply cannot count to ten! ANY media put out by them including the "NBN Myths" website provided here is based on figures given by a government that has no idea about finances, makes for a good read, but how do you believe those figures when NOTHING else they (Gillard & Co) have rolled out has EVER been budgeted correctly? School Building Revolution, Insulation, NBN, the list goes on.

Hard to believe any number crunching that comes from that end of town.

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Originally Posted by lumina ss

SAMSUNG Electronics says it has successfully tested super-fast fifth-generation (5G) wireless technology that will eventually allow users to download an entire movie in one second.

Yesssss welllllll

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Yep and woopdiiiidoooo. Its needs 28Ghz of spectrum to do it which is epic. You reckon the NBN costs a lot. Paying for that amount of spectrum would exceed $200B.

Not to mention that DoD own that spectrum in AU.

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Originally Posted by team illucid

Not to mention that DoD own that spectrum in AU.

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I thought AAPT did? http://www.acma.gov.au/scripts/nc.dl...1/pc=PC_310645 until 31 January 2014 anyway.

Good document here on their plans with the band Word Document