No matter what happens in the future u wont see me driving some 4 cylinder hatch junk box rice burning sushi roll.... I don't care how many turbos u put on it either...
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No matter what happens in the future u wont see me driving some 4 cylinder hatch junk box rice burning sushi roll.... I don't care how many turbos u put on it either...
The unfortunate thing about the media (like many in the community if we're being honest), is that people want to be the first to be able to say "I told you so" if they happened to get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by bouka
And, as always, if they don't get it right, you wont hear any apologies. :slap:
The saddest thing for me out of all this is just how much "Aussies" line up these days to belittle Australian engineering and manufacturing.
Getting hard to find decent old school Aussies these days that try to help their fellow Australians. The bogans are trying to be all posh, and really don't care who they hurt along the way to escape their humble origins. Bragging about internet deals from overseas, the imported brand you bought in Australia and spitting on locally produced items has a sting in the tail. It's called JOBS, and it WILL affect you, your family and/or your friends at some point in your lives. Short term gain and snobbery comes with long term pain for everyone.
Some advice for these types though...an imported car, a massive McMansion or some "designer" brands don't make you a better person...:teach:
This country REALLY needs the US and Europe to financially recover, as it will drop our dollar a fair bit and take the heat off. At the moment, we are a dumping ground for all the excess manufacturing capacity around the world, and people are lapping it up without any forethought of the consequences.
Davo, when you read this from the press article, if this quote from Mike Devereux is correct it certainly sounds like the current plan is end of 2016, it also fits with 9 to 10 year model cycles of the last 30 years, giventhe way sales are dropping it would be a brave move to make a huge investment in a similar replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
Yesterday at the Detroit motor show, Holden inadvertently confirmed the Commodore's run is due to come to an end in late 2016, the same horizon Ford has previously given for the Falcon.
In an interview with Australian journalists, the boss of Holden Mike Devereux said: "VF (Commodore) will run through to the end of 2016. We have a current plan to put a second (vehicle type) into the plant before 2017."
Good to hear. Companies like Ford and Holden are relying on people like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by pugz
This is the problem of reading too much into press releases and believing the rumour mill.Quote:
Originally Posted by redvxr8clubby
What he has done is state that VF production will run through until the end of 2016. What the press release does not say is that this means the axe drops on this date. This is a worst case scenario of insufficient local sales and exports being able to be achieved to justify continuing production into 2017.
The VAP in Adelaide has no issues continuing to produce the existing VF alongside a couple of other platforms for a period of time. I made no suggestion that there would be significant investment in any subsequent updates, so lets leave that scenario out of the discussion.
If sufficient sales continue, on what will be a fully paid for model, production will continue as long as it's justified- factoring in any emissions upgrades and associated costs. Time to vote with your wallet if you want it to continue longer.
People are already voting with their wallets. That's why this thread exists in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
The article you are referencing was written by Joshua Dowling, even if Mike stated the car would be around till the end of time it would have been interpreted the same way, the guy is a flogger of the highest!Quote:
Originally Posted by redvxr8clubby
Remember the VE ran through to August of 2010 that is 4 years since release date before the series 2 was released...... It could be interpreted as that, as in the series II will follow afterwards.
Like i said he has interpreted the quote how he saw fit, not necessarily how it was meant!
Unfortunately for the Commodore and Falcon the market grew rapidly and the quality and bang for buck that the Japanese and now Korean vehicles have makes it hard for the average punter to walk past.
Add to that the unhealthy obsession for SUV's the commodore/falcon don't stand a chance in the long run.
When I started in the Fleet industry, fleets were generally made up of the commodore executive or falcon forte, the bosses got a berlina, fairmont etc, Now, a fleet has anything but a commodore/falcon in it. While they are great cars, there are cheaper, c02 friendly vehicles in the market that do the job - passion for a brand no longer exists.
Happens to all products, years ago you bought a Panasonic or Sony TV because they were reliable, now people go but the $299 Korean no name brand. It's cheap and does the job.
I disagree, i reckon they are buying with misinformed information and an 15 year old stigma.Quote:
Originally Posted by C4B
The VE is as competitive as any car you would care to compare it against, same size etc. For the money there is no other choice that comes close!
As long as the import tarrifs remain in place..Quote:
Originally Posted by Plenty
Maybe...maybe not. In a very simple world, yes, you are "correct".Quote:
Originally Posted by C4B
The GFC and subsequent tanking of the US and European markets is what is killing our local product. The prolonged high Aussie dollar from the GFC hangover leading to cheap imports, and all the excess production capacity around the world being dumped into the Australian market. Once this is combined with badge snobbery from desperate bogans and people's belief they MUST have imported vehicles to be socially acceptable, another nail goes in the coffin. Doesn't matter how good the locals are if people have become this stupid.
Anyone who thinks this would have happpened so quickly in a market with far more expensive imports is either kidding themselves, or is exceptionally nieve.
One thing that's become obvious over the years is that even alleged Holden internet forum "fans" gain pleasure in talking down to Holden's these days. We see it every day on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plenty
One can see just how much society has changed...even though by far the best ever Commodore model is currently on sale at previously unheard of pricing...
For all the 50+ brands that new car buyers have to choose from, no one seems to notice the elephant in the room.
Falcon and Commodore and derivatives are the only cars on the entire market which fully showcase the talents of local designers and engineers.
Falcon and Commodore are the only cars on the market with a vast and rich history unique to this country
Falcon and Commodore are among the few cars in the world to combine a traditional, rugged, affordable RWD formula with modern standards of safety etc
Falcon and Commodore are perhaps the only practical cars with genuine personality and rawness, as opposed to the contrived German approach showing off pointless technology which masquerades as personality
Falcon and Commodore are the envy of many enthusiasts around the world who regard Australians as lucky, unaware that to drive one here means being branded a 'bogan'
No amount of generic Fiats/Opels/Skodas/whatever, nor cute economy cars or SUVs will make up for a loss of this magnitude. So much for new car buyers being given choice.
Its the way of the world, bad news has legs (ears pick up on any word so gains attention)Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
good news positive things are often short lived over bad Negitive news
My only thoughts with this topic are:
HQ's are stilling being pimped out to the max
Torana's are getting retro fitted with injected monsters
VC SL/E's are still gracing the pages of commodore magazines
No one makes those models any more. Even if the factory stop making them, doesn't mean we won't keep driving them and improving them.
Hopefully our kids will be putting a 2031 KERS hybrid engine with twin turbos into a VE exec and running it at Calder with Weld wheels and cheese cutters and it will be on the front cover of Street Commodores :)