My LSX 454 Build

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Originally Posted by VYSHSV8

Good to see ya gonna try the cam and see if the tuner can tune it for you....

Also the people who put the engine together cant tell you the comp ratio ?????? or what thickness headgasket...thta doesn't sound right, I would be asking and chasing it up

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I have had discussions with him about it, but that was before I got someone else to tune it, he is a bit disappointed that I have gone elsewhere to get it tuned, so getting too much info out of him, might be a little difficult.

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Originally Posted by dazzak75

I have had discussions with him about it, but that was before I got someone else to tune it, he is a bit disappointed that I have gone elsewhere to get it tuned, so getting too much info out of him, might be a little difficult.

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Oh ok :(

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So who built it and who's now doing the tuning for you?

Hi all,

When it's all done, the parts that are creating issues, eg, TB blade with a huge hole in it, have been replaced and it is tuned properly, then it will all be known who is tuning it and who built it,

I don't care of people saying my tuner is better than yours, or get a new tuner, I have a new tuner, and am happy with what he has been able to do so far with it, even though it has parts, that he had nothing to do with, making it a pain, in the end, it will be something to be proud of, both on a build side and on the tuning side, every build is different, especially with these, as there hasn't been too many in the country.

Everyone is open to their own comments, but I really don't care if you think your tuner is better than mine, from what I think of my tuner is, he is one of the best in the country and am happy with what he is doing, so don't waste your time if you're trying to get me to change tuners, it is not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by dazzak75

Hi all,

When it's all done, the parts that are creating issues, eg, TB blade with a huge hole in it, have been replaced and it is tuned properly, then it will all be known who is tuning it and who built it,

I don't care of people saying my tuner is better than yours, or get a new tuner, I have a new tuner, and am happy with what he has been able to do so far with it, even though it has parts, that he had nothing to do with, making it a pain, in the end, it will be something to be proud of, both on a build side and on the tuning side, every build is different, especially with these, as there hasn't been too many in the country.

Everyone is open to their own comments, but I really don't care if you think your tuner is better than mine, from what I think of my tuner is, he is one of the best in the country and am happy with what he is doing, so don't waste your time if you're trying to get me to change tuners, it is not going to happen.

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I do my own tuning so i dont give a shit what others say about their preferred tuner:), its always easier to sit here and type what ever you want from either side of the fence but unless your really in the middle you dont know whats really going on.
If you feel whats being done is right then keep on your path, you will soon see either way:).

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Originally Posted by Delft Maloo

I do my own tuning so i dont give a shit what others say about their preferred tuner:), its always easier to sit here and type what ever you want from either side of the fence but unless your really in the middle you dont know whats really going on.
If you feel whats being done is right then keep on your path, you will soon see either way:).

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I agree with that comment 100%, everyone has their prefered tuner, I have mine, and he is doing a great job, but I don't care who tuners who's car, it is personal preference.

You must do well to tune your own car, it wouldn't be easy.

But my tuner is doing a great job, I am happy with what he has acheived so far, and will be a lot easier once I fix the little issues we have.

Im not rubbishing ur tuner, I dont even know who it is, just stating a 240s cam in a 454 is like a 228 cam in a 346. I would run a late 250s in a street driven 454. They love duration, spend some time around a big cube LS on an engine dyno and you will see what I mean. The cam is to small and the manifold isnt big enough to make 600 Im afraid. Sometimes its like bashing your head up a brick wall on this forum Dazza, listening to guys who haven't even changed there own spark plugs and think that a 240s cam is a big cam, **** me I ran 250s in Holden sixes 15 years ago and they were street driven. I think you will make 650 at the engine which is respectable, But not 600 at wheels if it does make 600 it will be on a very very happy dyno. 550 will pull it up. You can get away with massive cams and big cyl head(the key) with a big cube engine and drive it daily it will still be like a baby. It just seams to me you come here for advice I will give you advice...I know it wont make 600 at the tyres. The more cubes you have the hp per cube ratio goes south so you need to work harder to get there. I'm sure you will be happy with it, just don't be one of those guys that claims the power that it wont make. And when you run it make sure you get the mph for us and also weigh it on competition type scales. Slide the moroso rule up it never lies.

BTW its not the tuner that will make the power its the engine combination, once the timing is in the right spot and fuel curve is good your there but the engine will only make what it makes. If it doesnt have enough cam manifold and comp and most importantly head you wont get there. You have to work out the csa of the choke before the short turn of the cylinder head and make sure its not to small as if it is and velocity exceeds 690 feet per sec at peak power it will go turbulent and nose over, hence why it is critical.

Good advice there HYMEY on big blocks :goodjob:

Hope all is going well for ya mate ive been watching this thread here and on PROutes its looking killer man! HOw much did the 454 block cost by itsself?

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Originally Posted by HYMEY

Im not rubbishing ur tuner, I dont even know who it is, just stating a 240s cam in a 454 is like a 228 cam in a 346. I would run a late 250s in a street driven 454. They love duration, spend some time around a big cube LS on an engine dyno and you will see what I mean. The cam is to small and the manifold isnt big enough to make 600 Im afraid. Sometimes its like bashing your head up a brick wall on this forum Dazza, listening to guys who haven't even changed there own spark plugs and think that a 240s cam is a big cam, **** me I ran 250s in Holden sixes 15 years ago and they were street driven. I think you will make 650 at the engine which is respectable, But not 600 at wheels if it does make 600 it will be on a very very happy dyno. 550 will pull it up. You can get away with massive cams and big cyl head(the key) with a big cube engine and drive it daily it will still be like a baby. It just seams to me you come here for advice I will give you advice...I know it wont make 600 at the tyres. The more cubes you have the hp per cube ratio goes south so you need to work harder to get there. I'm sure you will be happy with it, just don't be one of those guys that claims the power that it wont make. And when you run it make sure you get the mph for us and also weigh it on competition type scales. Slide the moroso rule up it never lies.

BTW its not the tuner that will make the power its the engine combination, once the timing is in the right spot and fuel curve is good your there but the engine will only make what it makes. If it doesnt have enough cam manifold and comp and most importantly head you wont get there. You have to work out the csa of the choke before the short turn of the cylinder head and make sure its not to small as if it is and velocity exceeds 690 feet per sec at peak power it will go turbulent and nose over, hence why it is critical.

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dident O.N make 618 rwkw with close to the same engine /heads /cam spec
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Originally Posted by ATOMIC MALOO R8

dident O.N make 618 rwkw with close to the same engine /heads /cam spec
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Try ~460rwkw...

ar ok it must have been 618 rwhp ?

Sounds about right, but you also need to remember which dyno it was from. I'd consider any of those numbers gospel until it runs down the 1/4 mile.

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Originally Posted by SirNemesis

Sounds about right, but you also need to remember which dyno it was from. I'd consider any of those numbers gospel until it runs down the 1/4 mile.

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i don't see how the 1/4 mile comes into it really, as the more HP you have the harder it is to get it to the ground without losing traction, everyone knows that all dyno's show different figures, it is a matter of when they have been calibrated, and unless you put it on numerous dyno's no-one will know exactly what it is putting out. Unless you pull the motor and use an engine dyno. But really who wants to have to do that to prove anything.

ON's made that figure on a dyno, and that is it, it shows that number, are you saying that the dyno was biased? and that has something to do with who's it was? You can't deny the fact that the dyno showed that number and I think that is an acheivement to get that. No matter who it is, whether you like the person or not, it is a great engine package to get that figure.

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Originally Posted by dazzak75

i don't see how the 1/4 mile comes into it really, as the more HP you have the harder it is to get it to the ground without losing traction, everyone knows that all dyno's show different figures, it is a matter of when they have been calibrated, and unless you put it on numerous dyno's no-one will know exactly what it is putting out. Unless you pull the motor and use an engine dyno. But really who wants to have to do that to prove anything.

ON's made that figure on a dyno, and that is it, it shows that number, are you saying that the dyno was biased? and that has something to do with who's it was? You can't deny the fact that the dyno showed that number and I think that is an acheivement to get that. No matter who it is, whether you like the person or not, it is a great engine package to get that figure.

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I'm saying what has been said countless times before.

Dynos are a tuning tool, nothing more, nothing less.
If you use someone else’s dyno result as a comparison you are either going to be disappointed with any real understanding of why you are disappointed, or feel smug superiority when in actuality the results are not directly comparable.
People use the 1/4 mile for a reason, and that reason it is it CAN be compared. It is always 1/4 mile long and different environmental factors always have the same results no matter who owns the track.

It isn't a case of liking ther person or not. I don't have any problem with Josh (O.N.), but I do think the information that has been drilled into his head about peak power being the ultimate goal is a bit unfortunate.

Take from it what you will, but considering your previous statements it's pretty obvious that you've already jumped onto the 'dyno fanboy' side of the fence and have no intention of actually comparing apples with apples.

The 1/4 is good at averaging out and giving fairly consistent results that can be translated into power figures based off your weight and mph.
My maloo with it's last turbo setup made an accurate 580-590rwhp on different dyno's and days. At it's last trip down the 1/4 mile it ran between 132-134mph all day, it didn't matter if I was running 11.7 or 12.5 or doing 1.9-2.3 60fters the mph always stayed near the same if I kept my foot into over the line. When you look at the mph vs weight calculators it matches up with what the dyno says.
1850-1890kg with 132-134mph.