M5 does it in 4.3. Will wait until mags are released.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plenty
Modified Miami cars are doing 80-120 as quick as many exotics.
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M5 does it in 4.3. Will wait until mags are released.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plenty
Modified Miami cars are doing 80-120 as quick as many exotics.
Thanks for that mate I didn't realize as I posted before that they had the v8 in there fairmont model always thought they just had the turbo 6Quote:
Originally Posted by Stampy
Agreed BMW claims a 4.3 but have only seen a best of 4.4 in the mags. The Turbo 6 already produces a seriously quick 80-120 time itself so hopefully the GT can better that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bouka
Still for the GT to have "allegedly" made a .5 second improvment from a simple rubber and slight suspension change sounds a bit far for me. Tell you what though if it manages it, it will be a great day in Aussie performance motoring!
No worry's VYSHSV8.:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by VYSHSV8
Scanned image from Top Gear magazine has the quote, "It's the sharpest Falcon I've ever driven. It charged from zero to 100km/h in 4.5 seconds".
To all the doubters, what do you expect when you have 335rwkw and traction?
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/IMG_0788.jpg
No "Doubters" here my friend..simply people with their own opinion....I'm one of those whose opinion has, to date, been that, because to me, a car is simply not all about what it can do the quarter in etc etc...., that the HSV cars have a better "package".....that is what i have said....TO DATE.
I have been reading about the new RS spec, and obviously it's not simply bigger rear tyres etc...a LOT of work has apparently been done on the suspension/chassis.......which work was very obviously needed.
I'm not aware of a proper road test being published yet, but I'm sure it will be, very shortly, as will a comparison "test" between the RS & the GTS......then the data will be there for all to see, how both of these cars compare ......in all respects. Can't wait to read that one.
Cheers, Pickles.
The current gt is a great package as a daily. Nothing "obviously needed at all". It is a gt, a grand tourer!
R spec is more focused version.
These things are all about straight line. Want something that turns, buy an evo.
C63 ain't no track focused car. It is a hot rod. Same principle.
All this bullshit about better package my backside.
Will be interesting to see the new articles.
Ps. That particular article didnt actually test the 0-100 times, it is simply stating what they have heard fpv have done.
Pps. There will be an article comparing the rspec with some high end euros.
Once again, like i said, simply your opinion....and simply because I don't agree with your view....I do not refer to your view as, & I quote, "Bullshit".Quote:
Originally Posted by bouka
"Nothing obviously needed at all"?!!.....then why did they make the changes?
You obviously have a different view to every member of the motoring press that has driven the FPV product....and that's OK too....but .....one thing we do appear to agree on,,,,is that we both are looking forward to future "comparisons".
Cheers, Pickles.
My opinion is based on having owned both, not some sense of having to defend a brand. I have owned all LS series hsvs and now gt. I am certainly no expert but also not talking about something I know nothing about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pickles
My "bullshit" statement was directed at the media not you.
The motoring press! What a joke. They thrash crap out of a car for a couple of days. They don't live with one in the real world. And while we are discussing the media, weren't they saying the ford had the better overall package a couple of years ago?
Why did they build it? Why do AMG do a black series?
Future comparisons should be interesting, especially if one is able to read them in the context of who is writing them.
My opinion about r spec? Red and black looks horrid. Tricked up suspension not important to me. What it appears to do (still to be confirmed) is it allows the breathtaking drivetrain to shine.
The sc gt's are not without fault. I know this better than most. They are as bad as they are good.
Oh, and HSV love the drivetrain too!
No worries.....I think that we have some common ground!Quote:
Originally Posted by bouka
Cheers, Pickles.
Allot of common ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pickles
The banter is fun though!
Hey bouka...ya'll like this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by bouka
just dropped in to see my good friend Christian....he drives a VERY hot Nizpro engined F6....VERY hot....around 470KW at the wheels.
Anyway, Christian's just achieved his goal.....he got into the "nines"!
Recently, at Calder, he ran 9.98 @ 138MPH....(on slicks).(reg "RLQUIK").
He said they won't let him back at Calder unless he's got a cage....and a parachute!!
The car is immaculate, looks stock, & is his everyday driver.
Cheers, Pickles.
F6 is a good thing and 9's is moving.
Nizpro know there stuff too.
Need more photos of the C! Post some up.
I've been following this b1tchin thread since it started(kinda good to get back to the ole LS1.com.au days) and all i have to add is...ATLEAST FPV DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT!!! In a world where we're constantly getting told by the powers that be that "no you cant do that" & " No you cant have this" FPV come out of the box & said "yes, you can have that.....from the factory!" There are pro's n cons to all cars.... HSV have looks... but you know what, looks get tiring... but that pushed back into your seat feeling NEVER gets tiring... I Remember going for my first test drive in an 04 WRX STI(Stock) & feeling that stomach pulled in feeling for the first time from a FACTORY CAR WAS EXHILARATING....Something im yet to feel from a FACTORY HSV. Good on Ford for stepping out of the vanailla box & stepping it up a bit.... im not sure about you guys... but i like my motoring like my sex, Just the one, does the lot & does it dirty..... & who cares if ford does it from a higher seating position or only in a straight line....atleast their keeping a smile on ones face once the two week "wow, look at me" phase has past.
I still wouldnt buy one though...... NOR WOUL I BUY A HSV IN ITS PRESENT STATE EITHER..... But i know which ones giving me a hard on, when giving it a thrashing at the lights, whilst getting on the piss with the boys at my local corner pub & it doesnt start with an "H"
kEEP UP THE ENTHUSIASM FORD...HSV WILL GET THEIR ARSE'S INTO GEAR EVENTUALLY.
I know you attempted to justify your "bullshit" call by saying it was aimed at the media, but the fact remains that your post only looks at cars in a very focussed manner. Personal shoppers will not be fooled when reading claims you've only aimed at the media with comments like... "These things are all about straight line. Want something that turns, buy an evo", or... "All this bullshit about better package my backside".Quote:
Originally Posted by bouka
People have many varied requirements in their purchase, which inevitably leads to compromise by the manufacturer to cover varied tastes. If all you care about if comparing d!ck lengths, buy the fastest car to 100 or over the quarter. If you want a track weapon, buy a car that is usually VERY uncomfortable as a daily drive. If you want a car that is comfortable on a daily basis, don't expect race car handling abilities. The list goes on.
Note the word COMPROMISE. All cars are a compromise. Just because it's not built as a gun on a track or isn't the fastest car over a quarter doesn't mean the owner wont give it a crack around their favourite local hills and so forth and come back smiling.
So, some "compromised" cars have more power but less comfortable driving positions and come standard with lesser performance brakes, or others might have less power but handle better than their immediate competitors and have more intimate driving positions that add to the "feel" of being as one with the car. It may not be an A grade weapon against the clock, but if it feels that way to the customer, they have ticked one of the boxes for wanting to own that car. Start comparing cars like an FPV or an HSV to an EVO, a GTR, a Porsche etc, and you start comparing VERY compromised cars. They are heavily focussed in one direction. The old apples and oranges comparison in other words...
The "package" IS an important part of the buying decision in this type of car, and what suits one type of buyer (like yourself) may not suit others. You could have owned 10 different performance cars, but if your priorities are very different to other buyers, then your opinion is just another opinion. Just as my opinion is just an opinion if my priorities are very different to other potential buyers. Some people value the "package" very highly, even if you don't. Straight line performance is just one small factor in the car buying decision. If straight line performance is the be all and end all, well, they might grow up one day hey, but it's not unreasonable to expect "pretty good" handling with your performance, even if it doesn't threaten a focussed track car. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Something to consider when making big statements, that's all. Currently we have two excellent packages available from FPV and HSV. One may go a bit harder but tends to receive comments that it's handling and driving position were a little behind the competition (plus looking too much like the donor car), whereas the other is a little slower in a straight line but is regarded as being the better handler and has a better driving position, even if it looks a bit OTT for some. We've never had it better in this country if you look at it in a half glass full kind of way. The "package" in either has plenty on offer within the available compromises. :)