Supercharged HSV this year?....I say yes.

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Originally Posted by duke5700

Bingo

The W427 whilst being a nice car, it wasn't built to be raced. Thus it lacks that 'hardness' you should of got for your 150K. All you got was like Martin said a car that was one of the slowest in the price bracket. Takes a real enthusiast or an idiot to buy into that.

It won't be remembered fondly as winning at Bathurst or at any race track. Young boys, who turn into successful men with money won't be wanting one because they didn't see it racing.

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Hardly any cars that were priced in the W427's bracket had "race pedigree" either...
You seem to think that the market for buying unique classic metal will disappear simply because there are no race pedigree V8 cars produced in this era.
FALSE.
Just as there are different buying patterns in new cars from the good ol' days, there will be changes in the buying habits of classic aussie metal. The W427 is currently the most high performance, low volume special ever produced by Australia's most successful performance car brand. It WILL be desirable in the future, just not in the way YOU see the market.

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

Gee this is the original post on this thread, it amazes me how side tracked it has become.
Back on topic..... Let's hope so Pickles. ;) :goodjob:

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Was ALWAYS going to happen white, because any new s/charged HSV is the natural successor to the W427, a car already highly "judged" by many. There's only so long people can give a straight yes or a no on the original question posed. :yup:

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

Gee this is the original post on this thread, it amazes me how side tracked it has become.
Back on topic..... Let's hope so Pickles. ;) :goodjob:

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HSV Cruze......as Holden/HSV focus on small ecomonical Front Wheel Drive cars

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

Was ALWAYS going to happen white, because any new s/charged HSV is the natural successor to the W427, a car already highly "judged" by many. There's only so long people can give a straight yes or a no on the original question posed. :yup:

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No David, I would have thought that the point of the thread was about HSV's comeback to FPV
with bringing out a smaller, more efficient supercharged engine. :confused:

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Originally Posted by duke5700

Holden Spare Parts. Come on.

Enjoy your weekend boys I'm out of here.

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I knew that one would pop out (again) at some point...:lmao:
I know what we make....and I could virtually promise that it's far less than your urban myth mentality thinks! Much less than a tuner makes out of those upgrades you rather happily pay for in fact. :)
Bye. :wave:

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

HSV Cruze......as Holden/HSV focus on small ecomonical Front Wheel Drive cars

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Hey Martin, stop stirring the pot. :stick: :lmao:

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

Hey Martin, stop stirring the pot. :stick: :lmao:

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You dont remember SV1800?

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

You dont remember SV1800?

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yeah, certainly do :lmao:
And the Brock Lada Niva.
What a classic...... :lmao:

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

No David, I would have thought that the point of the thread was about HSV's comeback to FPV
with bringing out a smaller, more efficient supercharged engine. :confused:

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Every enthusiast and his dog knows that if HSV release a supercharged HSV, it WILL be limited edition, and it WILL be expensive.
HSV's range has some pros and cons, just as FPV's has some pros and cons. For people utterly obsessed with the motor aspect and not much else, well, there's only one answer I guess, and it sounds a little like yours...:)

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

You dont remember SV1800?

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What about the Camira SJ? ....Your mother will hate it! :lol:

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

Every enthusiast and his dog knows that if HSV release a supercharged HSV, it WILL be limited edition, and it WILL be expensive.
HSV's range has some pros and cons, just as FPV's has some pros and cons. For people utterly obsessed with the motor aspect and not much else, well, there's only one answer I guess, and it sounds a little like yours...:)

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But David, this thread IS about the motor aspect. :confused:

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What about the Camira SJ? ....Your mother will hate it! :lol:

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That wasn't a HSV model...:stick:

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That wasn't a HSV model...:stick:

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OK you got me......well the HSV Jackaroo then. :lmao:

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

But David, this thread IS about the motor aspect. :confused:

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And that motor would be part of an expensive package. There is more to a car for most buyers than just a motor. I guess that's why HSV still sell a lot more of their cars than FPV does, even with that amazing, HSV "smashing" motor...:lol:
Like I said way back, I expect to see this car released with an LSA, and it will sell, even if the online peanut gallery poo poo's it. Internet forum opinions are like an @rsehole...everybody's got one, and they are more often than not rather negative.

If holdens are so great why did they need a bailout, make a good product at a good price & they sell.

My local dealer still has early 2011 plate hsv's available, selling real well.

Commodore is a good car at $50K
A not so good car at $150K
They worked that one out :)

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

And that motor would be part of an expensive package. There is more to a car for most buyers than just a motor. I guess that's why HSV still sell a lot more of their cars than FPV does, even with that amazing, HSV "smashing" motor...:lol:
Like I said way back, I expect to see this car released with an LSA, and it will sell, even if the online peanut gallery poo poo's it. Internet forum opinions are like an @rsehole...everybody's got one, and they are more often than not rather negative.

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I still would not be shocked if HSV brought one out to answer FPV, seems a few companies are bringing out supercharged or turbocharged engines these days.
Yes I like the N.A. big old engines but I think it is the direction that the market is going.
Hey, but that is only my guess or opinion and I have been known to be wrong many times in the past. ;)

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Originally Posted by Hi Octane

If holdens are so great why did they need a bailout, make a good product at a good price & they sell.

My local dealer still has early 2011 plate hsv's available, selling real well.

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Because the manufacturing industry is farked in Australia.....
Sadly it is just a sign of the times

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If holdens are so great why did they need a bailout, make a good product at a good price & they sell.

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Buyer habits have changed, combined with the very high Aus dollar killing most exports whilst making imported competition much cheaper or able to be loaded with options for the same price as before. "Competiton" these days is more likely to be a small car like Mazda 3 or a more practical "lifestyle" SUV, not Falcon. The large car class is in pain, and the large car class is what made our industry unique compared to much of the world. Go smaller and we are just duplicating what's already available. Cue CKD foreign models assembled locally, not a unique product designed here.
Factor in many other countries governments supporting their own car industries either directly or indirectly with cash injections, and we end up with an industry that's suffering a rather big headache at the moment...

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Because the manufacturing industry is farked in Australia.....
Sadly it is just a sign of the times

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Because we want to be paid three times as much as anyone else in the world, and work half as long for it
Unless we paid Holden to be here, they would have been packed up and long gone, and with Commodore going, good riddance to them.

Hopefully some of those on 3 x pay rates will drop $200K on the new Omega with a $10K crate engine in it.
At around $150K margin per car they wont need to sell more than half a dozen to break even on the project. The rest is pure cream :)

However this may be one of the 'last good things' as those of you that voted man-marrying Bobby Brown into power to protect your 3 x pay rates have effectively killed the Commodore and the Aussie V8 car. Interesting isnt it!

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Because we want to be paid three times as much as anyone else in the world, and work half as long for it
:)

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No, I reckon the third world countries are paying beans and peanuts, that's why we cannot compete on price with them,
that is also why all the call centres are now overseas,
there are plenty of civilised countries paying same or more than Australia.
Hey if they dropped the pay rate to one third it is now everyone would suffer, even your good self,
how could you charge the same prices in your workshop if all your customers scored such a massive pay drop?

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

I still would not be shocked if HSV brought one out to answer FPV, seems a few companies are bringing out supercharged or turbocharged engines these days.
Yes I like the N.A. big old engines but I think it is the direction that the market is going.
Hey, but that is only my guess or opinion and I have been known to be wrong many times in the past. ;)

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If Ford had had a suitable N.A engine on the books to compete, do you really believe that getting Prodrive/Harrop to do this variant of the engine would have ever happened???
All this turbocharged onslaught is mostly about gaining economy due to tightening regulations around parts of the world. If outright power is improved then it is a bonus, but gaining economy DEFINITELY wasn't the reason the FPV motor was developed! It was only developed because the N.A 5.0 base motor wasn't remotely close enough to the HSV competition, when put in a heavy Falcon body, to get the car onto more people's radars than the old 5.4 Boss motor ever did.

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

If Ford had had a suitable N.A engine on the books to compete, do you really believe that getting Prodrive/Harrop to do this variant of the engine would have ever happened???
All this turbocharged onslaught is mostly about gaining economy due to tightening regulations around parts of the world. If outright power is improved then it is a bonus, but gaining economy DEFINITELY wasn't the reason the FPV motor was developed! It was only developed because the N.A 5.0 base motor wasn't remotely close enough to the HSV competition, when put in a heavy Falcon body, to get the car onto more people's radars than the old 5.4 Boss motor ever did.

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I don't agree with you there David, I reckon the politics, fuel economy and the "Green" aspect plays a fair part.

I liken the whole pay question to a dog chasing it's tail.
Everybody wants more money in a greedy capitalist society, yet the more you want, the more you need just to stay about where you started...:confused:
If every country doesn't play by the same rule book then you are f#cked, even if you THINK you've had a win. You WILL end up shooting either yourself or your kids in the foot, even if the bank balance looks ok at the moment.

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I liken the whole pay question to a dog chasing it's tail.
Everybody wants more money in a greedy capitalist society, yet the more you want, the more you need just to stay about where you started...:confused:
If every country doesn't play by the same rule book then you are f#cked, even if you THINK you've had a win. You WILL end up shooting either yourself or your kids in the foot, even if the bank balance looks ok at the moment.

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Agreed 100%

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I don't agree with you there David, I reckon the politics, fuel economy and the "Green" aspect plays a fair part.

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Falcon was stuffed in this country before this engine came out. Just no one wanted to say it. The "green" aspect would have stopped ANY V8 in the range in this country. No government handouts would have "officially" gone to this engine. Green money is for ecoboost type projects.
The 5 litre wasn't up to the task, so they had to spend a mint modifying the base they had.
I reckon in a perfect world they would have dropped the V8 all together once Boss 5.4 couldn't pass the emissions upgrade, and just kept the turbo 6. Way cheaper from an engineering perspective, and just about as quick.

Commodore and Falcon are both stuffed.
Dear Julia and man-marrying Bobby Brown made both Ford and Holden sign on the dotted line to kill them both before handing over our money
In effect you and I have paid Holden to kill the Commodore.
Thats the way it is. Suck it up and understand your next new car will more than likely be something else.

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

Falcon was stuffed in this country before this engine came out. Just no one wanted to say it. The "green" aspect would have stopped ANY V8 in the range in this country. No government handouts would have "officially" gone to this engine. Green money is for ecoboost type projects.
The 5 litre wasn't up to the task, so they had to spend a mint modifying the base they had.
I reckon in a perfect world they would have dropped the V8 all together once Boss 5.4 couldn't pass the emissions upgrade, and just kept the turbo 6. Way cheaper from an engineering perspective, and just about as quick.

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David, I respect your opinion but I do not agree, at the end of the day it does not matter because people will always have differing opinions.
Hey I have been known to be wrong many times before and I am sure so have you.
Have a nice weekend buddy.:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

Commodore and Falcon are both stuffed.
Dear Julia and man-marrying Bobby Brown made both Ford and Holden sign on the dotted line to kill them both before handing over our money
In effect you and I have paid Holden to kill the Commodore.
Thats the way it is. Suck it up and understand your next new car will more than likely be something else.

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Sad but true Martin

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

And that motor would be part of an expensive package. There is more to a car for most buyers than just a motor. I guess that's why HSV still sell a lot more of their cars than FPV does, even with that amazing, HSV "smashing" motor...:lol:
Like I said way back, I expect to see this car released with an LSA, and it will sell, even if the online peanut gallery poo poo's it. Internet forum opinions are like an @rsehole...everybody's got one, and they are more often than not rather negative.

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Agree 100%....Of course there's more to a car than the engine. Really makes me laugh, the Ford "fanboys" saying the GT is a better car, because it MAY be slightly faster, in some circumstances...namely, in a straight line....that "advantage" very quickly turns to a "disadvantage" in ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE....unless you choose to disregard EVERY Aussie motoring journo. Of course the engine's good, we all know that....but the HSV's the better car. I mean, if HSV stuff a puffer on a Clubsport...it now makes 400+ RWHP...Does that make it a BETTER car?.....I don't think so.
In addition, as the O.P....I don't see this car as being a mainstream car.....it'll be expensive, & limited numbers.
The LS3 is a fine engine...it has served HSV well.....and it will be replaced.....as better engines become available......not, at the moment anyway, because of any perceived superiority of the opposition.....who, if ya wanna look at the facts, are still being creamed.
I still say it's coming....Pickles.

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Commodore and Falcon are both stuffed.
Dear Julia and man-marrying Bobby Brown made both Ford and Holden sign on the dotted line to kill them both before handing over our money
In effect you and I have paid Holden to kill the Commodore.
Thats the way it is. Suck it up and understand your next new car will more than likely be something else.

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The large car sales slide was on a roll waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the election that gave Bob Brown the power to be difficult.
It is very wrong to blame them for what people want to buy these days. We are witnessing generational change in buying habits, NOT politicians pulling your strings.

Now that the carbon tax which we were promised never to have will push petrol over $2 a litre (thanks!) the Commodore is a relic of the past. Dont the man-marrying Greenies love that! So, with that in mind whats everyone going to do for their performance fix?

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Now that the carbon tax which we were promised never to have will push petrol over $2 a litre (thanks!) the Commodore is a relic of the past. Dont the man-marrying Greenies love that! So, with that in mind whats everyone going to do for their performance fix?

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We're all going to drive hybrid rickshaws, because with the greenies having all the power, that's all that will be available in this country...

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Originally Posted by planetdavo

We're all going to drive hybrid rickshaws, because with the greenies having all the power, that's all that will be available in this country...

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Well....we DID vote the freaks in....
Thanks

The grand plan for our government will be to have the Elizabeth plant assembling knocked down imported Daewoos, as it mainly does now.

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Your spot on Luke, no pedigree what so ever. Any comparison to GTHO or any car of the era is ridiculous. And, like I mentioned, I love the W and HSV.

And, your argument is very valid as you are a true enthusiast with a wealth of automotive knowledge who is not blinded by dumbfounding loyalty.

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So George when ya gonna bring your car over for me to have some fun :)

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

Well....we DID vote the freaks in....
Thanks

The grand plan for our government will be to have the Elizabeth plant assembling knocked down imported Daewoos, as it mainly does now.

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Seriously Martin, ya didn't, did ya?
I DID NOT.
Cheers, Pickles.

Spotted the latest HSV lsa test mule earlier today in box hill, will decimate all fpv can offer......http://img.tapatalk.com/7b628a01-707d-699a.jpg

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

Because we want to be paid three times as much as anyone else in the world, and work half as long for it
Unless we paid Holden to be here, they would have been packed up and long gone, and with Commodore going, good riddance to them.

Hopefully some of those on 3 x pay rates will drop $200K on the new Omega with a $10K crate engine in it.
At around $150K margin per car they wont need to sell more than half a dozen to break even on the project. The rest is pure cream :)

However this may be one of the 'last good things' as those of you that voted man-marrying Bobby Brown into power to protect your 3 x pay rates have effectively killed the Commodore and the Aussie V8 car. Interesting isnt it!

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Hence why I made the switch from sitting in an office designing civil works to being onsite. Pay, tax benefits, job security and other perks made it worthwhile

So much of what has been posted as fact in this thread is so wrong and so off the mark it has stopped being amusing and has now become a joke. It is plainly obvious to those in the know that those who think they know are, well, silly.

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So George when ya gonna bring your car over for me to have some fun :)

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Keys are yours whenever you are in town Drew.