V8 Brutes engine specs??

Anyone know the deails of the engine specs used in this catagory? The commentators stated that they are 310kw. I assume this would be at the treads as they seem quite quick. They sound tuff too....

Power wise i dont know but i know they are the same engines that are in the factory released cars, below is a quote from one of the forum sponsors who is racing in the utes

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Originally Posted by Wayne@GM Motorsport

everything on the Utes are controlled, there are only 2 things that separate all the Utes, suspension set up and the driver, everything else is control standard and locked, engine, trans, diff, suspension, wheels, Tyres, brakes, shifter, intake, exhaust, min weight, tune etc

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Cheers
Matt

i,d be thinking the 310kw would be at motor so basically an exhaust and tune on a stocker ???? could be wrong tho!!!! doing it this way would make it easier to keep a level playing field between us and them hahah!!!! cheers

Stock L98 everything, ss inductions cold air, pacemaker exhaust controlled tune on a motec ECU, doouble row timing chain allowed and modified sump. power wise 255rwkw
Jake,

I thought they changed the cams in both the ford and holden motors for parity reasons?

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Originally Posted by Jake@GM Motorsport

Stock L98 everything, ss inductions cold air, pacemaker exhaust controlled tune on a motec ECU, doouble row timing chain allowed and modified sump. power wise 255rwkw
Jake,

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Cheers, thanks for the info. What weight are they?

Cams are definetely stock at least in the holdens. Weight from memory was 1800kgish with driver
Jake,

Cams are stock, power is controlled with tuning to keep them even

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Originally Posted by Jake@GM Motorsport

Stock L98 everything, ss inductions cold air, pacemaker exhaust controlled tune on a motec ECU, doouble row timing chain allowed and modified sump. power wise 255rwkw
Jake,

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Is the fitment of the SS inductions gear in effort to restrict output for parity reasons?

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Originally Posted by ssv402

I thought they changed the cams in both the ford and holden motors for parity reasons?

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The old 5litres in AU's got a small cam and bit of work to keep up with the 6L, FG utes have the coyote 5l engine(not supercharged) interesting the see how that goes

Well they flogged the Holdens today....

Dont look at the engine as the reason it did though. Sure its better than the L98 but they are tuned for parity so its not an advantage... Well thats the theory anyway

Yeah they think the Ford rode the kerbs better and thus could pick up the throttle earlier...

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Originally Posted by BLACKVE

, FG utes have the coyote 5l engine(not supercharged) interesting the see how that goes

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Really, I thought ford hadn't made a call on the n/a version yet and they were still 5.4l boss motors?

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Originally Posted by zorro

Really, I thought ford hadn't made a call on the n/a version yet and they were still 5.4l boss motors?

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They haven't. It's no longer a production car class if you will. The 5.0 N/A was completely done without ford AU support. They had to really for ford to stay in the class. Not like they could have them running stock GS engines. The Holden's wouldn't stand a chance


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So a dodgy old leaf sprung rear isn't too bad then?

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Originally Posted by HSVREDSLED

Is the fitment of the SS inductions gear in effort to restrict output for parity reasons?

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haha was thinking the same thing

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Originally Posted by macca_779

They haven't. It's no longer a production car class if you will. The 5.0 N/A was completely done without ford AU support. They had to really for ford to stay in the class. Not like they could have them running stock GS engines. The Holden's wouldn't stand a chance


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Thanks Ryan that makes more sense, I was thinking maybe they were still using the old windsors as I'm sure a fair few of the fords were AUs with BA/F panels on them.

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Originally Posted by BLACKVE

The old 5litres in AU's got a small cam and bit of work to keep up with the 6L, FG utes have the coyote 5l engine(not supercharged) interesting the see how that goes

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In what time wouldve an au falcon been lined up with a 6l commodore???

Sorry to Hi-Jack the thread but is there any info as to what equipment is used for the suspension set up?

I would be interested to see what you guys use and whether it can be applied to my VE sedan?

Watching the Clipsal race on Saturday I heard one of the commentators remark that the new supercharged Fords were much quicker on the straight line than the un-supercharged Commodores. :confused:
He went on to say that for "parity" reasons this was going to need to be looked into. :confused:

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

Watching the Clipsal race on Saturday I heard one of the commentators remark that the new supercharged Fords were much quicker on the straight line than the un-supercharged Commodores. :confused:
He went on to say that for "parity" reasons this was going to need to be looked into. :confused:

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yep that was when the FG came out of turn 7 slower then the Auto1 VE who was leading the race, and then preceeded to drive past the VE like it wasnt moving, and was at least 2 car lengths infront well before turn 8 although he said coyote engine, not supercharged

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

Watching the Clipsal race on Saturday I heard one of the commentators remark that the new supercharged Fords were much quicker on the straight line than the un-supercharged Commodores. :confused:
He went on to say that for "parity" reasons this was going to need to be looked into. :confused:

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yep that was when the FG came out of turn 7 slower then the Auto1 VE who was leading the race, and then preceeded to drive past the VE like it wasnt moving, and was at least 2 car lengths infront well before turn 8 although he said coyote engine, not supercharged

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Originally Posted by Toddler78

yep that was when the FG came out of turn 7 slower then the Auto1 VE who was leading the race, and then preceeded to drive past the VE like it wasnt moving, and was at least 2 car lengths infront well before turn 8 although he said coyote engine, not supercharged

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Yeah Todd, from memory I think you are correct,
I took it as supercharged because I reckon he was saying how much quicker the coyote engines were.
I did not think they had an un-supercharged version of the coyote ;)

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Originally Posted by whitels1ss

Yeah Todd, from memory I think you are correct,
I took it as supercharged because I reckon he was saying how much quicker the coyote engines were.
I did not think they had an un-supercharged version of the coyote ;)

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Coyote is the name given to the NA models in the USA. Australia doesn't use this name in our engines as they are supercharged. Hence carry the Miami name.

I've seen pics Garry Carsons utes engine bay. It's all NA under there


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Aren't all the Miami (coyote) engines quad cam?

That is correct.

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Originally Posted by mrtockley

So a dodgy old leaf sprung rear isn't too bad then?

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For hitting kerbs, two wheeling corners and doing jumps.

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Originally Posted by macca_779

Coyote is the name given to the NA models in the USA. Australia doesn't use this name in our engines as they are supercharged. Hence carry the Miami name.

I've seen pics Garry Carsons utes engine bay. It's all NA under there


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OK thanks for clearing that up then Macca_779 ;)
As I said I did not know and I was confused by the comentator's comments.

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Originally Posted by mrtockley

So a dodgy old leaf sprung rear isn't too bad then?

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I recall hearing quite a few times that the fords with the live axel got the power down better out of corners so had a small edge there. Quicker corner exit speed certainly would help them appear quicker in a straight line too

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Originally Posted by zorro

I recall hearing quite a few times that the fords with the live axel got the power down better out of corners so had a small edge there. Quicker corner exit speed certainly would help them appear quicker in a straight line too

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A live axle is OK on a smooth surface, the wheels are always perpendicular to the road. It's when the road gets bumpy that an IRS system kills it because IRS has less "unsprung weight" for each wheel going over a bump .

Cheers, Matthew

The engines are all supplied and built by Craig Halsted from Cragsted Race Engines in Browns Plains, Brisbane.
They are stock specs bar Pacemaker headers and Breklee Exhaust, and have a few changes mainly for reliability. The Fords' Coyote engines are imported directly from the 'States by Halsted, have a different sump, oil-pump and pick-up, alloy subframe, PWR radiator and header tank, SS inductions intake, Motec ECU and are limited to 5800rpm. Weights are 1810 and 1815kg I think.
Holdens get a double-row timing chain and Motec ECU and are limited to 5900 rpm.
All the engines, the control wiring-loom, injectors, fuel rails, and ECU, are sealed and Halsted supplies the whole thing ready to go including the dyno sheet.
I think the Fords get a fully-floating conversion on the rear axles, both the diffs are spools, solid -centre button-clutch, bushes replaced by neoprene, DBA rotors and alloy hats, Brembo calipers, Quadrant Suspension Bilstein/coil-overs, Fords get a special tailshaft, wheels are Bob Jane, tyres controlled and marked, and almost everything is controlled and has to be supplied by specific suppliers.
All the engines are built and dynoed by Halsted and are supposed to be identical power/torque to within 2%.
There's an amazing number of detail restrictions but that's the guts of it.

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Originally Posted by seldo

The engines are all supplied and built by Craig Halsted from Cragsted Race Engines in Browns Plains, Brisbane.
They are stock specs bar Pacemaker headers and Breklee Exhaust, and have a few changes mainly for reliability. The Fords' Coyote engines are imported directly from the 'States by Halsted, have a different sump, oil-pump and pick-up, alloy subframe, PWR radiator and header tank, SS inductions intake, Motec ECU and are limited to 5800rpm. Weights are 1810 and 1815kg I think.
Holdens get a double-row timing chain and Motec ECU and are limited to 5900 rpm.
All the engines, the control wiring-loom, injectors, fuel rails, and ECU, are sealed and Halsted supplies the whole thing ready to go including the dyno sheet.
I think the Fords get a fully-floating conversion on the rear axles, both the diffs are spools, solid -centre button-clutch, bushes replaced by neoprene, DBA rotors and alloy hats, Brembo calipers, Quadrant Suspension Bilstein/coil-overs, Fords get a special tailshaft, wheels are Bob Jane, tyres controlled and marked, and almost everything is controlled and has to be supplied by specific suppliers.
All the engines are built and dynoed by Halsted and are supposed to be identical power/torque to within 2%.
There's an amazing number of detail restrictions but that's the guts of it.

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Thanks Seldo, everything we needed to know.

Suspension is provided by Drummond motorsport this year adjustable coilover, (very robust units). i think brakes are AP racing will check tomorrow.
Jake,

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Originally Posted by Jake@GM Motorsport

Suspension is provided by Drummond motorsport this year adjustable coilover, (very robust units). i think brakes are AP racing will check tomorrow.
Jake,

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Yes - correct. I said Brembo calipers, but they are APs, and shocks are Bilstein coil-overs supplied by Drummond this year, not Quadrant as in the past (...senior moment...)

So what's the retail on on one of those....?

Do you buy them prepped ? Or build it yourself ?
I noticed the gm Motorsport one was an SSV from Wayne's photos

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Originally Posted by seldo

Yes - correct. I said Brembo calipers, but they are APs, and shocks are Bilstein coil-overs supplied by Drummond this year, not Quadrant as in the past (...senior moment...)

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Suspension is drummond supplied by drummond and must admit a lot better product. After 2 major hits to the left hand front wheel, shock is still ok. Last year suspension probably would have been 2 inserts and two legs meaning about $4k so I am pretty happy with the drummond product. Lower control arms and caster bushes are from KMac and I wouldnt use them if we had a choice.

have a look at this link, it has the Technical regulations for utes.
http://www.v8utes.com.au/index.php?page_id=173
now i know its 2010, but its all i could find.

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Originally Posted by Ganzer

have a look at this link, it has the Technical regulations for utes.
http://www.v8utes.com.au/index.php?page_id=173
now i know its 2010, but its all i could find.

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I will try and find something but there is not a hell of a lot different, modifdied sump, double row chain It is a lot costlier as the parts we need to use are getting harder to find ie manifolds, heads and throttle bodies have to be certain part numbers.

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Originally Posted by Justice R8

Suspension is drummond supplied by drummond and must admit a lot better product. After 2 major hits to the left hand front wheel, shock is still ok. Last year suspension probably would have been 2 inserts and two legs meaning about $4k so I am pretty happy with the drummond product. Lower control arms and caster bushes are from KMac and I wouldnt use them if we had a choice.

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Hey mate how are things? What would you be using by choice.