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interesting...now all they need to do is bring out a decent turbo diesel for those green hippies, and for us enthusiasts, an LS7 powered ClubSport and LS9 powered GTS. HSV NEEDS to have a power difference between their entry level and top level cars
Hand built engines across the board. Dreaming. Who do you think they are. FPV or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by 5.7heaven
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Last month, Chevrolet announced it would enter a new model in next year’s Nascar racing series, and that it would have a rear-drive sports sedan in showrooms to coincide with the campaign.
The statement prompted speculation the likely candidate for this car would be the Commodore, badged there as a Chevrolet.
Hrmmmm I'm sure I've seen these cars around town already :stick:
The last few paragraphs may be pure speculation but at least is nicer speculation than whats been doing the rounds lately about the future of the Commodore.
Definitely, would be a very sad day if the Commodore was to be no more.
I am a Commodore fan but unless the VF is something special it is really starting to look as it maybe too little too late.
Let's hope it is something special as it will need to be.
i was a kingswood FAN!
i'm now a commodore fan!
i could be a monte carlo fan next!!!
Garry
Superficial changes will be a big hit with the customers.
May be Holden are hoping the Commodore will die of its own accord from lack of interest.
Im not too bothered if its called a Commodore or not but I hope in the future they still offer something 4 door, rear drive, with some grunt up front as I dont have the budget for weekend only toys, my play thing has to do grocery getter/wifes runabout duties during the week, I'm sure I'm not alone on this.
That’s also been my concern.
Will the Commodore replacement after the VF still cater to the enthusiast and if not what performance options will Holden make available?
I also can’t afford to fill my garage with cars for different occasions.
And I can’t afford any of the imported serious performance varieties whether they come from Asia, Europe or the US.
I may be one of those fellows that gets left behind.
I will be holding onto my current Ute for dear life just in case I can't ever afford another V8.
I still want an LS3 in a properly engineered 2-door Cruise hatch - 2013 A9X... :love2:
bwahaha I agree, four doors, rear wheel drive and a chev powered small block. Holden: just give us one model we can work on !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xjas
Hard to tell from the small photo, but are the A pillars smaller with black tape on the windscreen to make them look the same ?
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Originally Posted by korrupt
The “A” pillars are the same.
What you’ll find with the VE’s is a black strip a bit over a half inch wide on both sides of the windscreen. This is to try and hide the fact that the “A” pillar on the inside that contains the airbag is much wider than the outside panel.
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If it doesn't have a rear folding seat I don't care what they do with it. I have to borrow my mother in laws 20yr old Civic to go to Ikea, LOL - I don't want a wagon.
The A pillar doesn't have any airbag equipment in it. The bag itself starts about an inch away from the pillar in the side hood lining with the inflation occurring via the canister located in the rear pillar.Quote:
Originally Posted by sjhugh
That’s fair enough, I don’t know exactly where the airbag is located but the inside section of the “A” pillar has airbag stamped into it and that’s silly if there is no airbag there. Airbag is also stamped near the “B” pillar of my Ute just over my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryno
Still the reason he can see a black strip is that it is used on the windscreen to hide the fact the inside of the “A” pillar is much wider than the outside.
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I had a good look at how they'd be able to make it a bit smaller with my car, and if they trimmed back some of the plastic trim where the window seals up into I reckon there's about 10-15mm there they can loose by angling it back into the car. I know what I mean.. This won't make the pillar smaller, but at least makes it less obtrusive.
I for one hope that all hsvs are supercharged in this model,not just the gts.If not i wont be trading the ve in anytime soon lol.:burnout:
Hmmm... I've seen a few 'spy shots' of the VF (which I guess were mostly photoshops) and I'm worried I won't like the look of it
Could be the last Commodore we get to see.... :(
Wheels now says due to launch early 2014. Others launch Sept 2013. It is still early 2012 so is it still 2 years away? Hard decision to make whether to turn the E2 into an E3 or wait or perhaps go and get something different. Wish there was something concrete about whether there will be a 'special' HSV later this year or not... As to the nameplate going in 2018 does it really matter? Rodeo to Colorado, did it affect sales? And given the next car wont be an in house design it is probably fitting to call it something else.
they will have to build 30 different commodores if they want to try and keep everyone happy. These threads remind me of the simpsons when Homer got to build his own car and look how that turned out, it suited him but his brother went out of business.
Made to order?Quote:
Originally Posted by BEARWOOD
A little hard to tell under the camo but it does look a bit like someone grafted something like the Cruze front end onto a VE. Which I guess makes sense if they're going for a 'family' look across all Holden/Chevrolet products.
I expect to be up for a new family car during the life of the VF so this is obviously of interest. Especially if it's confirmed during the VF's life that its replacement will be some FWD box. If I don't like what they've done I suppose I might rush out and buy a runout VEII instead :)
That pic looks like a Caprice, doesn't it have an extra window behind the back door?
Cheers, SLuggy
Wow early 2014, surely Holden would have to do some minor update or something between now and then.
The "VE" is really looking a bit old now. If no update between now and then, I would not expect any big sales numbers as people will just hold off, worse still if people have a VE and are ready to change over vehicles, they will just go elsewhere, why buy the same vehicle again???
If the Commodore does get the axe, i'm sure GM will send us the Camaro and Corvette as performance alternatives??? Hopefully!!!!!
something about the front end looks a bit like a saab, the bonnet height and structure + the head lights
You can't see much from the pics,all I can really say is the new vf Commodore better be damn good and worth the wait.
Especially the hsv range as I want a new hsv clubsport or gts and not gonna be happy waiting all this time for just another minor facelift.
VE interior was wholey designed and fairly much signed off on in 2004, looking at the Torana concept time of that era. So thats pushing 8-9 yrs old next model year. I think a lot of VE owners would buy another VE just if bumpers, lights and interior was redone. The majority of the mechanical and body can stay the same. Series 2 bandaid interior upgrade was shithouse. I don't mind the cruZe SriV interior so perhaps something along those lines and i would happily upgrade into my 3rd VE
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unfortunately i think it will have that horrible terrible bonnet over front guards styling like all new cars have today..
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Pedestrian impact regulations certainly have an effect on how cars end up looking.
At this point it's best not to assume too much based off the com-gen images that have been getting around. Com-gens are almost always a best-guess assumption, and are more often than not motivated by a desire to sell more print, rather than any true knowledge of the car's genuine appearance.
True that.Quote:
Originally Posted by planetdavo
Also, some manufacturers seem to conform to latest styling trends that have no practical reasons IMO.
Take the latest trend in door handles - they have gone away from aircraft style flush fitting handles that were low aerodynamic drag.
Surely in these times when they are chasing every bit of fuel economy, they would stay as they were.
Yes I always found it odd too. Ergonomics over aerodynamics I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by VH-COM
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i hope i dosent have those stupid ugly popeye head and taillights like camrys and mazdas do.
Also, looks like theyve ditched the VY style mirrors
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Originally Posted by jboy21
New front and rear treatment will no doubt disappoint some , but that's life !
With many new car designs, I notice so many keyboard warriors commenting that it 'looks like a Subaru" or "they copied the Falcon headlights" .....well unless you let Homer Simpson build it , parts of the styling will always resemble some other make.
But like you say....no need for over-the-top popeye head and taillights that look so plasticy.
That is not a Commodore. Buick LaCrosse.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin101
You may be right - hard to tell from one angle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick76
I thought the back door window was longer and not as high in the Buick,
Also the exposed metal (looking side on) of the A pillar was very narrow on Commodore compared to Buick.