http://www.centraltelegraph.com.au/n...-test/2970835/
Not good the auto failed in such a short period! I won't say they were outperformed by a Volvo :eeeeek: :lol:
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http://www.centraltelegraph.com.au/n...-test/2970835/
Not good the auto failed in such a short period! I won't say they were outperformed by a Volvo :eeeeek: :lol:
I saw this in the paper this morning, I was wondering if it's the auto trans overheating, what about the transmission cooler, does it need upgrading? I guess it isn't that easy or that would have been explored already.
Do I assume the Mustang has the ZF 6 speed auto, same as the local product? I thought they were meant to be the bee's knees? :confused:
Guessing a performance vehicle should already have that in place knowing temp/conditions in Aust.!!
I wonder if someone had tuned it? :hide:
:lmao: I wonder how many will understand the reference! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
No reference to anything Gary,Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonky
I have just heard so much over the years about special police tunes & hot police chips in so many police cars.:hide:
Getting off track again
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Why are the fapping around with a stang, it'll just end up sideways around a pole/in gutter like other 'stangs
And if they manage to catch a criminal where do they put them? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by XUV
Yes the Volvo is a much sensible option & the Crims can put their hats on the parcel shelf too!Quote:
Originally Posted by IJ.
surely they would have had more than 1 car to test. The R&D from ford would have put the car through their paces before hitting the market.
I see very little reason for highway patrol cars to be anymore then the base model, considering the pursuit laws and governing conditions in most states now. So other then a set of fancy high vis stickers how about the revenue goes back to supporting the boys in blue with more suitable resources like assistance with PTSD and other family or psychological assistance packages. Atleast that has some benefit.
Determent by embarrassmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Micks
I was reading about this on one of the Ford forums
& some of the boys were saying that this is only to be expected as
Ford was only bringing very low spec Mustangs ("Show Ponies") to Australia.
They were saying it's a shame but they are not expecting anything special from these cars.
I truly believe the only suitable vehicles must be built in the Country they will be used in, to date this is tried & true. :teach:
Why test the same model multiple times. There's only a need to have 1 car of each type under consideration. Where a model fails the tests its back to the manufacturer to see if they'll upgrade the police spec. Thats what happened with the falcon when they failed the brake test. Mustang being fully imported means that won't happen. The 3 front runners are now the s60 volvo, 300C (but higher repair costs might rule that out) or a BMW 5 series diesel (won't that be fun for the cops to remember what fuel to use)Quote:
Originally Posted by highlander_69r
General duties in NSW will get camry's and other base sedans
Why didn't they send out a RHD Taurus or something?
That's an interesting point of view. They must have won lotto when they tested the holdens then because their performance and capability from factory is pretty lack lustre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devil CV8
Either way, id rather the s60.
that probably what the yanks said about the Caprice ..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Micks
so what ever happened to that , why not use it into the future , till the shells run out or retro fit old ones
Testing the Mustang was a complete waste of time , and a poor choice considering
1. It's 2 door only
2. Ford wouldn't be able to deliver due to supply constraints
1. 2 door isn't a problem. HWP in NSW don't usually transport crooks. thats what general duties cage trucks are for. There's nothing wrong with using the front passenger seat anyway. For example my son was taken to the local hospital 50 odd kms away for blood and urine tests after the fatal crash he was involved in back in 2014 and he rode in the front passenger seat of an unmarked xr6T HWP car.Quote:
Originally Posted by GPT
2.Supply wouldn't be an issue.Police orders would have been pushed through. we aren't talking thousands of cars for the HWP at one time.
I would have thought a 2 door would be useless for duties....
Odd they say that as we get the equivalent to the premium spec American model they get a move pack or premium. No we don't get the GT350 flat plane crank 5.2L and may never get it but it would be a 100k car anyway. Im on the Mustang forums and in the Hot parts of America and the growing number of Australian owners no one has ever had Gear box temperature issues so Im not sure how they test them for the police?Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
I don't think the cops really need any performance vehicles these days as they're prohibited on hi speed chases, we already have an untold amount of combination red/speed cameras at notorious intersections too. Not to mentioned unmarked contractors performing speed checks. After all any sort of vehicle would suffice!
The NSW Plod used 2 door Minis as GD vehicles back when my Father came to Oz in the late 60s. He used to say it was always funny watching a GD Mini pull up and 4 beefy coppers hop out.
I remember a discussion on TTAC a while ago about the US police forces' love of the Ford Crown Vic. In no way is it a particularly fast car but the point was made a trained driver behind the wheel of a Crown Vic could catch Fred Amateur behind the wheel of something somewhat faster.
I would argue the police should look at a large AWD sedan. AWD for all weather grip, large for space and a reasonable engine for performance. The next Insignia (AKA 2017 COmmodore) in TTV6 AWD guise would probably end up being used.
Cheers, Matthew
Here's a link to the Goulburn Police testing area (just in case anyone wants to see what their track looks like...)
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place...0609b4904427d0
Below are a couple of quotes from another forum which I have been reading...
"Ford warns you specifically to never even think of trying to fit a towbar or attempt towing with the Mustang...
Kind of speaks to how durable they are..."
& another posted...
"The only reason the Mustang has a strong following is because Ford is trading on the nameplate's success from the 1960's.
Nameplate aside, the vehicle itself is inferior to the current local offerings in just about every way. It is nothing more than a "look at me" car. All style and no substance.
Mustang is supposed to be the performance flagship, yet we are going backwards - From supercharged V8's and turbo 6's to a slower and less powerful n/a V8 in a vehicle that cannot survive a couple of laps around a track.
If this is progress then I'm really dreading the future"
Also...
a fully kitted out Highway Patrol car would weigh heaps more than a normal private car but
at the end of the day 306kW @ 6500rpm / 530Nm @ 4250rpm at the flywheel in a large car (1709kg)
like the Mustang GT does not exactly cut it for exhilarating performance in this day & age IMHO.;)
http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...POT-ITM-429117
Yes in NSW they carry around half the mainframe electronics with them including cams for number plate recognition etc etc!! Not good for Mick when he forgets to pay his rego on time :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
Toyota LandCruiser? - 'the' choice in the outback and deserts around the world, a 'legend'Quote:
Originally Posted by Micks
Beige Volvo 240GLE - the choice in Toorak 1980's
:D
Mattie talking here of street vehicles not off road! Know well Toyota make gr8 off road vehicles too :slap:
V6 Commos here in SA, no V8's for as long as I can remember. Like you say, the day of high speed chases have gone the way of the dodo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micks
Edit: I reckon a good mix of robustness, reliability and dynamics would be good criteria. Shit, just described VF V6 Commo lol.
Supply was going to be an issue , that's from Ford (I have inside knowledge)Quote:
Originally Posted by Devil CV8
Interesting debate.
I concede the HWP do need a 'sort of' performance vehicle. In reality the current SS's and XR6 T are stuffed so full of crap they are comparatively slow anyway. Im predicting the Volvo will get the nod.
Here is a bit of a history lesson and the only reason NSW Police have V8's now. Back in the early 1990's, NSW Police stopped putting in orders for V8's (HWP) saying the V6's were good enough and way cheaper. Along comes Police Minister Ted Pickering who ordered a V8 VN for his staff car. This caused a political sh!t fight in that HWP were not allowed to have V8's yet the Police Minister had one. Nek minute....V8;s came back for HWP!
A) Why would you buy a Mustang for a tow vehicle? seriouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
B) Inferior in every way yet quicker 0-100 and over the Quartermile than the new 6.2L VFII ? all from a smaller motor and only 40kg lighter? seems superior in performance? Excellent Trim quality it is what it is but for the price it represents awesome bfyb.
I'm not saying a Falcon or Commodore doesn't make a sh1t load more sense as a cop car though....A Mustang is not a cop car plain and simple.
A) The fact the Mustang can't tow just reflects it's structural durability IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by RED R8
B) (As I posted & said above, these were some direct quotes from a Ford Forum)
Yeah sure, bog stock & untuned the Mustang is very slightly quicker in acceleration over the quarter mile
but I think there is a heap more to get out of the Commodore with tunes & mods than there would with the Mustang!
Australian Police have used many 2 door cars in the past including 2 door Falcons, Valiant Chargers & Holden 2 door Monaro,
Mini Coopers, even some other imported cars so why not use a Mustang.
I'm not sure where the story that Mustang can't tow anything came from. Granted 450kg's isn't going to be useful for anything other than the odd dump run with a box trailer on the back, but it's not like it has a towing capacity of Zero. see the guide below:Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/...tang_sep28.pdf
Tuned the Mustangs are making 340fwkw's (tune only) extractors, full exhaust air intake etc 360fwkw, Blown cars are seeing 700-800rwhp stock motors no issues no auto issues etc...I follow one thats a twin turbo on a stock motor running 8's making 1460rwhp no bangs yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
R8 HSV is around the same price as the Mustang GT & it's making 340 untuned. SS is comparable price to poverty pack Mustang afaik... Then there's the LSA .
I agree the ford has a great little 5L engine with good numbers. But any punters must be wary of these phaser cams are not always exactly reliable nor cheap to sort. especially so when there is no warranty! I know what engine I prefer :yup:
The Mustang is a nice looking car but nothing to write home about in terms of the overall performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
We're heading to the States in a couple of months and discovered you can hire a Mustang for less than a Prius. We gave both a miss and opted for a Dodge Challenger... Sadly not the fire breathing Hellcat variety :bawl: