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CarAdvice also have a video and writeup of a pre-production model of the next generation ZB Commodore. Not going to be everyone's cup of tea and, with SUV's being the current trend, will never sell in the numbers we've been used to for Commodore. Be interesting to see how it actually sells when released.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/577261/2...arousel&slot=0
I think this will smash all sales records
for the lowest selling Commodore new release ever. :doh:
and I think thousands of new car buyers will agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
The only thing that MAY be its saviour.. is fleet sales
Having been talking to Kia Hyundai Mazda already about VF replacements in 2018
I have been asked ALREADY by our CEO at work (being the company's fleet manager)
if this 'thing'(as he called it) is any good... and will be suitable for our reps to use?
No V6 wagon (apparently) ... only a v6 sedan counts against it for starters. Anyone
want to give a 2 ltr wagon to a rep that does 90,000km a year? AND TOWS our product trailer
(1400kg laden) + NO LOCKABLE boot (a hatch is stupid) for reps chucking product
computers work gear into = more break ins (we have enuff now :( )
all means at present... the answer is probably not. But time will tell .....
If I were buying a sedan (or wagon) that size I would go for a Mazda 6 as a compromiseQuote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
I still can't get my mind around the idea there soon won't be any large Aussie RWD cars. :doh:
Yes 2018+ will be sad for any Red brand buyers :bawl: The v6 offering maybe nice as a work hack but certainly not for pleasure :nono:
true but how many 6 cyl commodores have you had as a to b cars that arnt funQuote:
Originally Posted by Micks
VK
VR
Vx
VE x 2
in the end if priced well and does the a to b it might sell, SA police are going to use them unsure about interstate police, i'll keep my VE ss ute till I die(or no petrol) the VF2 isn't a love for me its ok but no sole like the VE think its the electric sterring
VF electric steering is a huge handling improvement over VE in my book, not to mention leaky PS reservoirs of atf straight into your alternator :doh:Quote:
VF2 isn't a love for me its ok but no sole like the VE think its the electric sterring
Nothing to do with the extra 5000rwhp the ute has mate lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BLACKVE
My VT2 SS had the leaky PS reservoir from the day I bought it to the day I sold it Mick, fukcing annoying. My VE hasn't leaked once yet (off to find some wood).Quote:
Originally Posted by Micks
I'm curious to know what makes it stand out from the competition? At least the Commodore was marketed as a powerful rear-wheel drive family car
.. have a read of the various articles on the new Holden FAirlane (injoke amongst my car mates... njuk njuk) here this weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Luminous
https://www.goauto.com.au/goautonews.html
Holden are comparing it to the Passat :rolleyes: amongst others. I can see another pricing screwup about to happen
(as happened with the Astra) Out of Europe?..yep, a premium (Holden says it is) vehicle priced as such
if they do that, it will be dead in the water
Judging by the design it looks like the award winning design team that penned the AU Falcon is back in work again.
With a bit of luck Holden will have learned from the Astra Hatch pricing debacle.
IMHO it may very well be technologically advanced, etc..... but if Holden want it to compete with the likes of Mazda and VW then they will first have to earn the right to do that. Price it very well and hopefully sell sufficient numbers to make it seen on the roads. If there are sufficient numbers driving around then it could snowball into more sales. The brand image has to be built/ earned over a number of years. Until then it's going to have to compete for the ever shrinking slice of the large/ medium car market.
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Originally Posted by C4B
oooh ... harsh but there is an element of truth there :teach:
remember it is meant to be a GM global design ( and I have NO idea how Simcoe could have signed that off :rolleyes: )
I can tell you, after they hoist a bunch on each dealer by brute force and they sit around waiting for the person who has no clue and loves to finance an exorbitant price..... probably not much.Quote:
Originally Posted by mac06
Got to feel for the dealers it is going to be heck of a shrink year upcoming in 2018.
PS GM we already had the AU style experience and not many want to revisit the PAST !
Love the model designation NG = No Good, ZB = Zeta Buggered version
Sadly how appropriate.
I was driving past a Holden dealership this evening as they were closing for the day
I noticed the new car manager leaving looking very proud of himself in a brand new VF II HSV
I giggled as I thought to myself...........
"I wonder what he will be driving in 12 months time?"
&
"I wonder if that would even still be a Holden dealership in 12 months time?"
Very sad times ahead! :hide:
My guess would be a SuzukiQuote:
I giggled as I thought to myself...........
"I wonder what he will be driving in 12 months time?"
&
"I wonder if that would even still be a Holden dealership in 12 months time?"
Yeah who knows Mick, another Holden dealership on the other side of townQuote:
Originally Posted by Micks
is now selling some ugly looking things called "Halal" or something like it,
there seems to be all sorts of new pox brands coming out on the market these days. :spew:
Halal!! :lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by whitels1ss
Its all well and good for us on a Holden/HSV lovers forum to say that Holden dropped the ball on the front drive commodore ZB.
I have plenty of Holden Red flag waver friends but none of them drive Commodores.
And really its only commodore that most of them associate with Holden as they know that anything else from Holden is just crap (mostly Daewoo crap)
Why dont they own a commodore, because at the end of the day Commodores were either too big or too expensive for what you got in the overall package.
I'm one that would fall into the too big bracket but at least I still have my 12 yr old HSV.
My Z Senator only just squeezes into my apartment garage otherwise I would have a current VF2 Senator LSA.
Unfortunately we powerful rear drive lovers are a small minority in todays car buying public.
Most humble apologies Mick,Quote:
Originally Posted by Micks
I must have spelt it wrong. :doh:
I just google searched & it's actually "Haval"
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They actually look worse in real life,
I think they must have used some sort of photo editing for their advertising pictures,
you know like some of the air brushed glamour pictures they do for magazines.
Have only seen the things out the front of the dealership, none on the roads! :spew::spew::spew:
Should be the "Failane",Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
"Fairlane" was a great selling Australian car. :yup:
ZB ... ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ausmartin1
zero balls
zilch branding
all those I guess:doh: