Supercharged HSV? - Part 2

[Carby]

I'm not completely dismissing it. But no one has answered the most telling aspect, and that is for a 430 kw car with 740 nm of torque and a sophisticated suspension system why are the times more akin with a car with about 370 kw of power? I'll tell you, based on my own HSV ownership and every other Aussie car journalist the HP figures they quote are BS!! Even the susposedly 340kw R8 is slower that an F6 I'm sure the HSV is a better car overall, I'm just sick of the HSV lack of credibility when it comes to performance figures and quoting of HP figures.

[Drasius]

... If some people are prepared to buy a second-hand BMW instead of this, well, maybe they weren't really in the market for a new GTS anyway. ...

Rubbish. Both are performance oriented, large 4 door cars with a similar price tag, performance and options. Some us can't stretch to the decent euros new, but still want massive go in a GT type package. The M5 fits the bill perfectly (until you start examining the cost of a transmission or gearbox replacement and the alarming frequency with which both are required on later models), as does the GTS, the ford GT and a few others. I know I was certainly comparing the 2 now that it's time to think about upgrading, and dare I say it, the ford is in the mix as well. If you're after a large performance 4 door in that price range, those 3 (plus the merc, but I think it's ugly) are probably the main contenders. It just becomes a case of if the badge matter and if you can trade some refinement for a newer car and warranty.

[GTS LSA]

Will be worth it.

I went for an r8 SV with the intention of buying the last of, either gt or gts.

I should hopefully have my r8 over the next few weeks (all going well).

Yeah i nearly held off, with the plan of buying the "last of".... But I couldnt help myself, its the 1st car i have been excited about in a long time ( that is in my budget)

[mattnsw]

So it didn't do it's posted 0-100 times , I don't think any car does and who drives at 0-100 times.

You should get out more.

Many manufacturers underestimate their times.

No wonder so many Australians (and a few Brits) have fallen over themselves to get one. This is truly a special machine, and one that every Australian car enthusiast can be proud of.

A bit over the top. How many Australians and Brits and how’s that work out as a percentage of the motor vehicle buying public?
Even on this dedicated Holden performance and enthusiasts Forum full of high performance car nuts, only 7 members have indicated they have ordered one.

If this car was available when we bought our C63, it's a no brainer we'd have bought this car......for HALF THE PRICE, why on earth wouldn't you.....and I reckon that's probably part of what HSV hope will happen with this car....as Phil Harding controversially said a year or so ago, that they will get a few AMG & Audi buyers?
Cheers, Pickles.

I don’t know why people persist with this thinking.
Most AMG and high end Euro buyers do not consider Holdens or HSV’s, they cross shop other Euros.

It is more likely an ex HSV customer will look at a purchasing a Euro not the other way round.
AMG sales in Australia prove how popular they are here even compared to HSV sales.





Most GTS owners will only ever floor the throttle at the lights and never experience the car on or near its limits or any real meaningful in gear acceleration otherwise they’ll be at risk of having it impounded.
And for those who take it to the track, they may find after a few laps it’s actually a street machine and not a track car. Very few factory stock cars are capable of track work.

If the GTS is truly only capable of a consistent 4.8 sec to 100 than all the GT boys will have smiles.
HSV may have the most powerful and sophisticated car ever made here but Ford has the fastest.

[Plenty]

I'm not completely dismissing it. But no one has answered the most telling aspect, and that is for a 430 kw car with 740 nm of torque and a sophisticated suspension system why are the times more akin with a car with about 370 kw of power? I'll tell you, based on my own HSV ownership and every other Aussie car journalist the HP figures they quote are BS!! Even the susposedly 340kw R8 is slower that an F6 I'm sure the HSV is a better car overall, I'm just sick of the HSV lack of credibility when it comes to performance figures and quoting of HP figures.

The R8 SV managed a 4.9sec sprint how is that any slower than the F6? It's pretty common knowledge that the Ford/FPV power figure is highly under-rated.

[mattnsw]

If these times prove correct I guess the Euro comparisons will now be over.

The 63 owners with a 4.2 - 4.4 from 336kw will consider their money is still money well spent.

And if the GTS is only running a 4.8 you can stop comparing it to the E63 as the E63 is actually both powerful and fast and obviously way out of the GTS’s league.

[Carby]

Rubbish. Both are performance oriented, large 4 door cars with a similar price tag, performance and options. Some us can't stretch to the decent euros new, but still want massive go in a GT type package. The M5 fits the bill perfectly (until you start examining the cost of a transmission or gearbox replacement and the alarming frequency with which both are required on later models), as does the GTS, the ford GT and a few others. I know I was certainly comparing the 2 now that it's time to think about upgrading, and dare I say it, the ford is in the mix as well. If you're after a large performance 4 door in that price range, those 3 (plus the merc, but I think it's ugly) are probably the main contenders. It just becomes a case of if the badge matter and if you can trade some refinement for a newer car and warranty.

Exactly right. For about 100 k you will get a 2007 2008 M5, or if it doesn't have to be a 4 door how about a C6 Corvette, 2006 model v8 AM Vantage ( surprisingly quick around the Nurburgring) or a nice 2012 model Camaro. Some of these cars have very low Ks as well so for that amount of coin it opens up a very large range of vehicles, that have a real presence and credibility.

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