Ford to release something special on Monday

[lowfly]

Just found out that Ford are to release something special tomorrow, not a new model so will probably be a new sticker pack, unless they have been hiding something big.

[Evman]

GTHO to take the wind out of the VFs sails?

[Jamolad]

First GT off the Ford production line since the 70's (now FPV has been moved in-house).

[JJW501]

XR8 is back and supercharged.

JJW

[Ausmartin1]

Manufacturing Quality statement
"To be world class" - that would be a nice change

[Jag530G]

A car that sells for than 1,000 in a month?

[bouka]

Don't get too excited fellas. It is as jamolad said.

[Jag530G]

Don't get too excited fellas. It is as jamolad said.

Damn, I was hoping for a new S-Pack with a rear spoiler and standard oil pressure guage and voltmeter.

[lmoengnr]

Just found out that Ford are to release something special tomorrow, not a new model so will probably be a new sticker pack, unless they have been hiding something big.

New redundancy packages?

[steve_t]

With the VF being released soon, surely they could whack some intercoolers on and crank out 350kw out of the factory

[VYBerlinaV8]

Manufacturing Quality statement
"To be world class" - that would be a nice change

Agreed. I reckon the falcon XT is the pick of the big cars' base models.

[bouka]

With the VF being released soon, surely they could whack some intercoolers on and crank out 350kw out of the factory

The intercooled version is ready to go.

It won't though, unfortunately.

[A^K^T]

They are dropping the Powershift option on their euro range of cars and putting proper automatics in them , the one in my Focus still sucks.

[cjf]

The intercooled version is ready to go.

It won't though, unfortunately.
The FG GT 335 supercharged are actually putting out 350+ RWKW with nothing more than a tune & a K&N filter .

Dyno results here - http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11379788

[bouka]

What a load of crap. An ls3 would kill them.

[Wonky]

What a load of crap. An ls3 would kill them.

:lmao::lmao: You'd know............ :D

[HOTSV8]

:popcorn: .........

[bouka]

:popcorn: .........

I tried. Back on track.

Move on fellas, nothing to see here.

[bouka]

:lmao::lmao: You'd know............ :D

Lol wonks.

[Rick76]

http://www.news.com.au/business/companies/ford-falcon-gt-back-in-production-after-37-years/story-fnda1bsz-1226579835067

[Marco]

They've added extra Ford Luxury Silver Plastic to their interiors?

[Hi Octane]

Ford need to look at their salespeople, i looked @ a GT, the s/man said what your thoughts, " im not fussed on the rims or seats" His reply i dont think Ford Au give a fook, well either do i mate "well maybe they should, they might be able to sell the shit" i told him. Wuith attitudes like that someone on the fence will go straight to the competitor.

[VX-300]

A car that sells for than 1,000 in a month?

FPV sold less than 1000 cars in all of 2010.
77 cars a month.

[Marco]

I think he meant less than 1000 Falcons sold per month of any description.

[Ausmartin1]

So Mondays nearly gone - did their dog eat it ?
The Press release ...

[whitels1ss]

This could be it.....

http://www.news.com.au/business/companies/ford-falcon-gt-back-at-broadmeadows-after-37-years/story-fnda1bsz-1226579835067

EXCLUSIVE:
THEY do make 'em like they used to. The iconic Falcon GT returns to Ford's Broadmeadows production line today for the first time in 37 years.

[steve_t]

So Mondays nearly gone - did their dog eat it ?
The Press release ...

Was is that the first FPV GT in was finished in the Broadmeadows factory today since 1976?

[JJW501]

Well that was an anti climax.

JJW

[VX-300]

So Mondays nearly gone - did their dog eat it ?

Rufus took a redundancy package back in 2011.

[jboy21]

Ford Aust. get a slight amount of press in US : http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1082380_ford-starts-production-of-fpv-muscle-sedans

[Pickles]

I noticed that Ford were going to use "stockpiled" engines, built by the FPV guys, prior to building the engines themselves.....I wonder if there will be any difference in the build quality of the two builds?
Cheers, Pickles.

[cashie]

I noticed that Ford were going to use "stockpiled" engines, built by the FPV guys, prior to building the engines themselves.....I wonder if there will be any difference in the build quality of the two builds?
Cheers, Pickles.

You wouldn't think so since they are using the same equipment and largely the same staff.

[Marco]

Given the sales rate, the stockpiled engines might be enough to see them out!

[macca_779]

Heard a rumor FG MKII will bring a return of the XR8 with current GS running gear. GS to get current GT spec tune. GT to get a bit of a power bump

[mjrandom]

Heard a rumor ... GT to get a bit of a power bump


It sure needs that!

[steve_t]

Heard a rumor FG MKII will bring a return of the XR8 with current GS running gear. GS to get current GT spec tune. GT to get a bit of a power bump

So the GTS will come out with an LSA with 415kW. Does the FPV have the capacity (adding an intercooler) to do a factory 420kW?

[macca_779]

So the GTS will come out with an LSA with 415kW. Does the FPV have the capacity (adding an intercooler) to do a factory 420kW?

Lol. It already does Steve without the cooler

[steve_t]

Lol. It already does Steve without the cooler

Well that's awkward :hide:

[planetdavo]

Does the FPV have the capacity (adding an intercooler) to do a factory 420kW?

Word I had from an insider is that FPV had, rather than an intercooler, a water injection kit developed and being tested for a GTHO. It produced big HP, but the chassis was twisting badly, so the whole project was canned. This is why there was all this talk about a modern GTHO, but then it went quiet.
Anyone can produce big HP aftermarket, but it doesn't cut it in manufacturer engineering land where you have annoying things like lengthy warranty and a car feeling properly "developed" to think about...

[Jag530G]

Word I had from an insider is that FPV had, rather than an intercooler, a water injection kit developed and being tested for a GTHO. It produced big HP, but the chassis was twisting badly, so the whole project was canned. This is why there was all this talk about a modern GTHO, but then it went quiet.
Anyone can produce big HP aftermarket, but it doesn't cut it in manufacturer engineering land where you have annoying things like lengthy warranty and a car feeling properly "developed" to think about...

Can't see the current Falcon, even with a R-Spec chassis, getting anything near 420KW from the factory, ever. Chassis isn't even anywhere near up to it.

The Commodore's Zeta platform is already handling 430KW is Camaro ZL1 guise.

Cheers, Matthew

[FFAMan]

Word I had from an insider is that FPV had, rather than an intercooler, a water injection kit developed and being tested for a GTHO. It produced big HP, but the chassis was twisting badly, so the whole project was canned. This is why there was all this talk about a modern GTHO, but then it went quiet.
Anyone can produce big HP aftermarket, but it doesn't cut it in manufacturer engineering land where you have annoying things like lengthy warranty and a car feeling properly "developed" to think about...
Without question there is an intercooler setup ready to go, that motor/setup very much exists and could be used at any time, as you say the chassis in FG is borderline, the current "335" (cough) Miami is really making closer to 380 KW as it stands.
But FU is a different story and will comfortably handle it. My guess is the "big" spec I/C Miami will be in the new FU GT-H. (There wont be a GTHO).

[steve_t]

Can't see the current Falcon, even with a R-Spec chassis, getting anything near 420KW from the factory, ever. Chassis isn't even anywhere near up to it.

The Commodore's Zeta platform is already handling 430KW is Camaro ZL1 guise.

Cheers, Matthew

So, do you reckon the KPM guys are asking for trouble making a Falcon you can purchase off their showroom floor with 500kW and a 3 year warranty?

[Jag530G]

So, do you reckon the KPM guys are asking for trouble making a Falcon you can purchase off their showroom floor with 500kW and a 3 year warranty?

Does the 500KW KPM package meet ALL ADR's? Emissions? Noise? Do they guarantee that? Still possess reasonable ride comfort and refinement? Acceptable NVH?

I agree with PlanetDavo's sentiment, there is a world of difference between what an aftermarket outfit will sell and what a very large multinational car company deems acceptable to sell. For Ford, or GM for that matter, the car still needs to be meet their testing and engineering requirements.

As it happens my Monaro is modified a little, cam, edit extractors. Does it idle as well as factory? No. Is it as quiet as factory? No. (are the noise levels or emissions actually legal? err, no.) Would Holden ever release anything like this from the factory? No. I play the modified car game like everyone else here on this forum but I don't honestly expect Ford or Holden to go anywhere near as far as what we are all prepared to do.

Cheers, Matthew

[steve_t]

Does the 500KW KPM package meet ALL ADR's? Emissions? Noise? Do they guarantee that? Still possess reasonable ride comfort and refinement? Acceptable NVH?

I agree with PlanetDavo's sentiment, there is a world of difference between what an aftermarket outfit will sell and what a very large multinational car company deems acceptable to sell. For Ford, or GM for that matter, the car still needs to be meet their testing and engineering requirements.

As it happens my Monaro is modified a little, cam, edit extractors. Does it idle as well as factory? No. Is it as quiet as factory? No. (are the noise levels or emissions actually legal? err, no.) Would Holden ever release anything like this from the factory? No. I play the modified car game like everyone else here on this forum but I don't honestly expect Ford or Holden to go anywhere near as far as what we are all prepared to do.

Cheers, Matthew

Yeah, sorry, my question was in relation to the statement that the Falcon chassis isn't even close to being able to handle 420kW, not whether Ford/FPV or Holden/HSV would release a 'Streetfighter'. There is however a ZR-1 straight out of a factory...

[planetdavo]

Without question there is an intercooler setup ready to go, that motor/setup very much exists and could be used at any time, as you say the chassis in FG is borderline, the current "335" (cough) Miami is really making closer to 380 KW as it stands.
But FU is a different story and will comfortably handle it. My guess is the "big" spec I/C Miami will be in the new FU GT-H. (There wont be a GTHO).

Bit of a serious Ford fan user name going on hey...;)
I'm only saying what someone who would know actually knew, rather than just opinions or "should be's". Manufacturers test all kinds of stuff the general public aren't aware of, so am quite confident Ford/FPV have tested more than just water injection or an intercooler over the last few years. My post related to what was being developed for a modern GTHO. Apparently eight kits were developed for the testing process, but the rest of the car couldn't handle it. What makes you so sure the next Falcon model will suddenly not suffer this chassis twisting issue with similar outputs? We're talking serious shell upgrades to cure this, rather than just a few cheap suspension bushes or whatever. Ford Aus aren't exactly flush with Falcon development money you realise...

[Pickles]

Bit of a serious Ford fan user name going on hey...;)
I'm only saying what someone who would know actually knew, rather than just opinions or "should be's". Manufacturers test all kinds of stuff the general public aren't aware of, so am quite confident Ford/FPV have tested more than just water injection or an intercooler over the last few years. My post related to what was being developed for a modern GTHO. Apparently eight kits were developed for the testing process, but the rest of the car couldn't handle it. What makes you so sure the next Falcon model will suddenly not suffer this chassis twisting issue with similar outputs? We're talking serious shell upgrades to cure this, rather than just a few cheap suspension bushes or whatever. Ford Aus aren't exactly flush with Falcon development money you realise...

I know about this...Prodrive developed the car...presented it to Ford....who weren't interested...for the reasons (Chassis) ,mentioned in this thread.
Cheers, Pickles.

[bouka]

A very good friend of mine showed me something on this last night. Is it true? Well, some interesting development was carried out and some fun was had.

FFAMAN is right and I have said it before many times, an inter cooled version exists and ready to go.

[planetdavo]

Does an actual validated complete car exist bouka, or just a supercharged engine? Not surprised at all if they did a fair bit of testing of a supercharged engine in FG at some point in the last couple of years (like HSV has done with a supercharged gen 4), but a whole car known to have a high HP torsional issue? Has Ford dropped their engineering validation requirements for a limited edition model?

[FFAMan]

Does an actual validated complete car exist bouka, or just a supercharged engine? Not surprised at all if they did a fair bit of testing of a supercharged engine in FG at some point in the last couple of years (like HSV has done with a supercharged gen 4), but a whole car known to have a high HP torsional issue? Has Ford dropped their engineering validation requirements for a limited edition model?
The car exists, well a few of them do, its all done, ready to roll "IF" Ford wanted to. Ford did some running changes to the FG chassis to improve rigidity in the firewall.
We saw the proposed bumper with dual intercooler inlets on the Black concept.

[Ghia351]

Ford Aus aren't exactly flush with Falcon development money you realise...Funnily enough, even though they spent some money buying out Prodrive, bringing back full production within the plant and setting up Geelong for hand building the engines, they haven't exactly dropped retail prices while having gained Prodrive's own margins so I'd say FPV's might actually be quite profitable for Ford.

[Marco]

...although the fact that Prodrive sold out suggests that doing it the old way wasn't profitable/profitable enough. Also a difference between making money per unit made compared to input costs, and making money when taking into account development costs.

I'd be amazed if Ford was making money in terms of its day to day plant operations, never mind having enough money to invest in future product. Which, funnily enough, is why there won't be any...