VY SS or SV8

[cdawg]

So im looking for a new car and these are my two options. Also the other options is a VY berlina. obviously i know the difference between them and the berlina

But what is the real diffrence between the sv8 and the ss?

And what is a better option?

Obviously the price and the resale value would have a impact?

Cheers

[GMMAD]

http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xchg/mynrma/hs.xsl/holden_vy_commodore_sv8_2003_car_review.htm
http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/A_1590/title_New-Car-Test-Holden-VY-SS-Commodore/article.html

[cdawg]

Thanks man

More looking for personal comparison's between the two

Cheers

[markg]

Go The Ss It Is Just Finished A Bit Better Than The Sv8 If You Are Interested I Have A Supercharged Vy Ss For Sale With Heaps Of Extras At A Good Price

[ACUZED]

its like comparing the executive to the calais :) i;ve been in both and the ss jus has the style element the badging the bodykit the interior jus looks alot more race appeal to it the sv8s are nice but would much rather the ss for its badging and looks.

[gasguz]

No brainer, the SS. Prices are pretty cheap nowadays which helps

If you want an exec with a V8 go the SV8

[kpop]

if you dont care about looks but do care about performance, get the sv8 and use the cash left over if you had bought an ss and put them towards performance modifications :)

[Darkrayne]

I do concur.. if you're afer the whole package go the SS otherwise you'll wish you had after with the SV8 buying the extras to makes it look like an ss :D..

Sv8 is basically an exec with updated springs..LS1 and small rear spoiler oh and with the SS lights..

[Wonky]

I had a VY SV8 and two VZ SS's before the SSV. The SV8 is basically just an Exec with a V8 and rear spoiler, plus a few very minor additions. The SS has better seats, body kit, 18" rims instead of horrible looking 17s plus full body kit etc.

It of course partly depends on how much money you have and whether you prefer the sleeper look. SV8s are less desirable in many people's eyes and that lack of demand should translate into lower prices. The SV8 was approx 4/5 (80%) of the SS price when new so take that into account when buying used. SV8s should now probably only be 2/3 to 3/4 (max) the price of a similar km/condition SS. I must admit I was very happy with the SV8 when I had it as it was all I could afford.

They have exactly the same running gear and suspension as the SS so no difference there if you prefer the sleeper look. :)

[*VYSuper6*]

SV8 = Executive + LS1

SS = Comfy seats, better dash, better trim, better body kit, better wheels, better head lights, fog lights standard, and the small ostentatious factor of owning an ss over an sv8....ive never really liked the sv8 because i think the ss is just that much better in looks with the body kit

if the ss sedan is out of budget try the ss utes, interstate, car yards + private.

most important thing is if your spending 20k+ on a car, get the car you want...not what other people want, if the sv8 floats you boat, and you fine one in perfect nick, then you may as well get it if thats what you have your heart set on.

cheers

[Y55-7UT]

wow i thought my ss was bottom of the bucket, i like the look of the sv8's.
what are the weight differences between the 2, as that would be something that would make it a hard decision for me, weight or looks

[WOMBIE]

An exec with a v8....fair call.

I'm still loving mine 4 years on :)

Darren

[red_hot]

No one else has mentioned it yet, but the Sv8 is also a lot cheaper on insurance, or so i've found.

[Wonky]

No one else has mentioned it yet, but the Sv8 is also a lot cheaper on insurance, or so i've found.

I didn't mention it coz in my case (with AAMI) there was absolutely no difference in price when I went from the SV8 to the SS (and now with the reasonably extensively modded SSV there's still effectively no difference). :)

[cdawg]

Thanks for your help guys

Going to test drive a ss tomorrow see how we go!

[Tron2004]

its like comparing the executive to the calais :) i;ve been in both and the ss jus has the style element the badging the bodykit the interior jus looks alot more race appeal to it the sv8s are nice but would much rather the ss for its badging and looks.

Hmmm, yes... an extra 10 grand for badges and "looks".

Back in 2003 I went looking for a new VY SS and my redhot red SV8 was parked alongside a white SS.
They wanted 10k more for the SS.
I saved some serious $$'s and bought the SV8.
Apart from the bodykit, there is NO difference to engine / performance / suspension / handling, etc.

At the end of the day it comes down to personal preference and $$'s.

Oh, and it seems odd that I can now buy the SS front / rear / side body kit
for just one tenth of the difference in the original cost between the VY SS and SV8.

[bermudablue]

Hmmm, yes... an extra 10 grand for badges and "looks".

Back in 2003 I went looking for a new VY SS and my redhot red SV8 was parked alongside a white SS.
They wanted 10k more for the SS.
I saved some serious $$'s and bought the SV8.
Apart from the bodykit, there is NO difference to engine / performance / suspension / handling, etc.

Smaller wheels and crap interior.
Actually the SV8 is slightly quicker than the SS
due to weight.

[Tron2004]

Actually the SV8 is slightly quicker than the SS
due to weight.

Arrh, I was going to mention that but decided not to for fear of getting offside with all the SS lads. :D

[bermudablue]

Arrh, I was going to mention that but decided not to for fear of getting offside with all the SS lads. :D

Nothing wrong with the truth.

[SV346]

As bermuda mentioned the thing with an sv8 over an ss is weight, and you do notice it on a spirited drive, but it all depends what you want in a car, i got an ssv ute recently just because i liked the more luxurious feel over the ss, and yes resale values play a huge part between the sv8 and ss, ss - ssv, but good luck with what you go for :)

[monaro_mad]

If your planning on doing exterior/interior mods get the SV8, thats why we have one. SS definately doesn't stand for 'Something Special' IMO when comparing the two, yes i know what it really means.

The only reasons i would have bought a SS is:

Leather trim
Climate control

But seeing as we will build something different i chose the SV8, drivetrain wise their the same.

[Swordie]

I'm going by memory here. With the VY I thought the SS is an SV8 with more body decoration, has the option of leather, improved instrument cluster and bigger wheels (17 compared to 16 inch). I’m not sure if four airbags was standard on the SS where as two were on the SV8 with an option of four.

The VYII introduced the option of climate control to the SS.

Heritage is with the SS name. In a straight line and going around corners there would be no difference.

The SV8 was very good bang for buck when introduced to the market.

[Tron2004]

I'm going by memory here. With the VY I thought the SS is an SV8 with more body decoration, has the option of leather, improved instrument cluster and bigger wheels (17 compared to 16 inch). I’m not sure if four airbags was standard on the SS where as two were on the SV8 with an option of four.

The VYII introduced the option of climate control to the SS.

Heritage is with the SS name. In a straight line and going around corners there would be no difference.

The SV8 was very good bang for buck when introduced to the market.

Ok, the VY SV8 came standard with 17" wheels.
And 4 airbags also as standard on the SV8.

[WOMBIE]

And 4 airbags also as standard on the SV8.
Actually side airbags were an option along with rear power windows as a package.

Still have the brochure :)

Darren

[Luke_]

The only reasons i would have bought a SS is:

Leather trim
Climate control



Right on. Plus they didn't make the SV8's in purple :)

[Wonky]

I'm going by memory here. With the VY I thought the SS is an SV8 with more body decoration, has the option of leather, improved instrument cluster and bigger wheels (17 compared to 16 inch). I’m not sure if four airbags was standard on the SS where as two were on the SV8 with an option of four.

The VYII introduced the option of climate control to the SS.

Heritage is with the SS name. In a straight line and going around corners there would be no difference.

The SV8 was very good bang for buck when introduced to the market.
I'm sure you could option leather on the SV8. I'm pretty sure the SS had 4 airbags as standard but on my SV8 I got the optional cruise control/elec windows/2 extra airbags pack on mine (from memory about $1,700??). SV8 had 17" rims, SS had 18" (utes were 17").

[RARASV8]

colour was a choice, red, black or silver for the s1 SV8. also $10,000 dollars cheaper, plus cheaper insurance. so i added full SS body kit, tint, my personalized plates, and most people think it's an SS with aftermarket rims:rofl:

and as Wonky has added, the power pak had 4 airbags, 4 electric windows not just the front, cruise control. i asked about leather steering wheel when optioning car and was told $500:00, i said nothanks, i find out later that $500:00 was for leather interior aswell:spew:


4-1 pacies, hi flow metal cats, 2.5 redback catback, maffless, otrcai, ripshift, 3.9 gears, SS leather steering wheel, monaro gearshift, and still haven't spent the $10000
:smilesandbanana:

Garry

[Tron2004]

Actually side airbags were an option along with rear power windows as a package.

Still have the brochure :)

Darren

Interesting.

So not all VY SV8s will have the "SRS Side Air Bag" sticker on the side pillars.

[WOMBIE]

Interesting.

So not all VY SV8s will have the "SRS Side Air Bag" sticker on the side pillars.

They may have "forgotten" to put the sticker on mine....i don't know :confused:

As Wonky and RARASV8 have said,it was included as a package but these options were already fitted when i purchased mine :)

Darren

[Tron2004]

They may have "forgotten" to put the sticker on mine....i don't know :confused:

As Wonky and RARASV8 have said,it was included as a package but these options were already fitted when i purchased mine :)

Darren

Same here.

2 extra air bags (that I thought were already there as standard - my mistake), auto windows all round and cruise control.

Oh, and SRS stickers on the side pillars. :thumbsup:

[tuff304]

simple decision, has to be an SS. I would personally never buy an SV8

they don't have the same road presence as a SS

[Tron2004]

simple decision, SS I would personally never buy an SV8

they don't have the same road presence as a SS

Back in the VY days I would agree with you 100% but that changed
in later models when picking the difference between SS and SV8
became a lot harder.

[tuff304]

Back in the VY days I would agree with you 100% but that changed
in later models when picking the difference between SS and SV8
became a lot harder.

agreed, impressive rwkw figure for a stock sv8 mate

[DaveHAT]

So im looking for a new car and these are my two options. Also the other options is a VY berlina. obviously i know the difference between them and the berlina

But what is the real diffrence between the sv8 and the ss?

And what is a better option?

Obviously the price and the resale value would have a impact?

Cheers

Mate ... go the Berlina. Better level of appointment than both the SS & the SV8.

Features that VY Berlina would have over both an SS and an SV8 =

Dual zone climate control
6 disc in dash stereo
4 way electrically adjustable front seats
Generally lower insurance premiums than either SS or SV8


It depends what your priority is. SS is a nice thing and good for the boy racer in you, SV8 is understated and seem to have a history of producing good power outputs /ET slips with bugger all mods and cheaper insurance to go with it.

Notable SV8 examples:

DeeJay's red SV8 High 11 sec ET bolt on manual
Padina's red SV8 - 259-ish rwkw bolt on.
Markone2 - red sv8 - too much to list
Wombie - guess what ... red SV8 :lol: 12sec manual
VXCAL346 - Silver SV8 - 12.7 bolt on ...


Plus many others that I can't remember

As others have said ... there's really bugger all difference between VY S1 & S2. The better flowing LS6 manifold has been in place since VXI with the notable change between VY & VYII being the PCV system.

Previous to VYII there had been a "PCV line" which ran from the rear of both rocker covers around the manifold and into the front of the manifold. This was removed in VYII with a simpler and "better" crank case ventilation system put in its place.

Whatever you buy ... choose the one with:

Lowest km
Best OVERALL condtion
Don't just buy the one with the best "service history"


As an example, I just bought a VYI LS1 wagon and it had an impeccable service logbook but upon closer inspection was not maintained very well. Stupid things like rooted/lazy 02s, stuffed PCV line, Hoses to the PS reservoir both loose with assoc leaks + more. :banghead:

Good luck. :cheers:

[cdawg]

Thanks for all your help guys :)

I went and test drove a 04 SS s2. It drove allright but it seemed to have a flat spot between 2500 and 3000. The car has 70,000 and it was red and didnt really have many extras that i was want (leather and climate control). I was also given the run around by the car yard dealer :(. My dad bought a vz calais from there about 3 months ago for 35,000 on the road and it only had 40,000 on the clock (06 model but 05 plated)
And they wanted 31,000 on road for the SS. I cant see that as being really right. Also they gave me the run around abit.

The Berlina i havent test driven yet. But has 64,000 and was for 22,000. (plus orc)

After the hassle i had today i think it might be better to buy privately. The warranty isnt really worth the bit of paper its written on i think.

[Tron2004]

agreed, impressive rwkw figure for a stock sv8 mate

That's exactly what Sonny and I thought when it was dyno'd.
Engine really deserves some serious mods to bring the beast out. :evil:

[Msthrottlehappy]

Black VY SS has my vote for sure..

[VYSHSV8]

I'm sure you could option leather on the SV8. I'm pretty sure the SS had 4 airbags as standard but on my SV8 I got the optional cruise control/elec windows/2 extra airbags pack on mine (from memory about $1,700??). SV8 had 17" rims, SS had 18" (utes were 17").

Correct there Gary you got exactly what I have got...

[OzJavelin]

Mate ... go the Berlina. Better level of appointment than both the SS & the SV8.

Features that VY Berlina would have over both an SS and an SV8 =

Dual zone climate control
6 disc in dash stereo
4 way electrically adjustable front seats
Generally lower insurance premiums than either SS or SV8



What he said. If you want more "stuff" for your money, you'll probably get a nice Berlina and get a body kit and wheels for a lot less than the money people are asking for an SS.

On a personal note I like my SV8. It's a quiet achiever. A fun, capable car that I swallow km-after-km of the crap roads we loosely refer to as highways in the country. It's "puny" 17" wheels aren't very bling, but still give me good handling, ride and comfort while traversing abovementioned crap roads. I can leave it in a carpark and be reasonably sure it will still be there when I come back. No one really notices it, which is fine by me. It's not a thief, cop or moron magnet. If I want to me noticed I'll drive one of my Javelins ..

The things I wish it had:
1. Electric windows (VY S1), so I can talk to people on passenger side of car.
2. Fog lights .. 'cos it's ACTUALLY foggy in winter where I live.
3. Wish it was VY purple .. but silver is "more practical" (?!) for dirt roads

Good luck with your decision! :)

[Wonky]

The things I wish it had:
.........
2. Fog lights .. 'cos it's ACTUALLY foggy in winter where I live.

I added a set of foggies to my VYI SV8 down in the holes with the black plastic inserts in them below the headlights. Looked quite neat I thought and I could have made it even neater if I had bothered to cut the plastic inserts to fit back in around the bracket. The wiring is already there. All I had to do was buy an SS headlight switch (with built in foglamp switch) and a relay to go in the provided fog lamp spot in the fusebox area. To fit in the holes they need to be smallish foglamps (from memory mine were 55mm I think???).

Total cost about $130 and they worked quite well.

[BennyMac]

Do the '06 SV8's come with the 6ltr?

Benjamin

[brockster]

i have to agree with most people the ss is the way to go just way up your options in every aspect with body kit and interior and the ss is the best option by far

as far as i know a sv8 never came with a 6ltr just the 5.7

[redvxr8clubby]

simple decision, has to be an SS. I would personally never buy an SV8

they don't have the same road presence as a SS

That was the main reason I went for a VX clubby, was originally looking at VX SS, the VXR8 also has the coulson seats, climate air, bigger brakes, short shift as standard, as a used car the price difference isn't that huge - there will be a bit of a gap from a VY SV8 to a VY clubsport though especially if you look at an R8. I looked at a VY SS even series 2 also, but preferred the VX R8 clubby, even though it was 4 years older than the 04 VY 2 SS I looked at. I am with AAMI also and as Wonky said not much difference in insurance from one to other. I think you would get cheaper insurance fro a Berlina or Calis V8 comapred to SV8, SS or Clubsport.
A while ago I saw a VY Berlina - Bermuda blue colour with leather $20K (96,000 Km) should have bought it, excellent looking car, great value had new 18" Monaro (copy) mags and new (el cheapo) tyres.


Do the '06 SV8's come with the 6ltr?

Benjamin

There are are 2 x 06 SV8's on carsales (dealer - NSW) both 6.0, I believe the 6.0 came after about Feb 06 build regardless of SS or SV8.

[Tron2004]

I added a set of foggies to my VYI SV8 down in the holes with the black plastic inserts in them below the headlights.

I did the same...

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9808/sv8bi3.jpg

[Wonky]

Do the '06 SV8's come with the 6ltr?

Benjamin

Yep, LS1 was replaced across the range with the L76 6L as of Jan 06 as it couldn't meet new emission standards.

[stew297]

So what should you be roughly looking to pay for a vy ss in reasonable condition and km's private or dealer these days?

[Wonky]

So what should you be roughly looking to pay for a vy ss in reasonable condition and km's private or dealer these days?

Check yourself - http://www.carsales.com.au/car-valuations/, http://carpoint.com.au/car-valuations/ and http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/research/car-values-search/ for a start......

[cdawg]

So what should you be roughly looking to pay for a vy ss in reasonable condition and km's private or dealer these days?

After my lesson on saturday i think the best option is with a private buy.
Price range can be anywhere between 25000 to 35,000 (i think there is one on carsales with 15,000k's on it

[stew297]

yeah spotted one in a caryard near me, cosmo, vyII purple leather, climate m6 86,000km for 28,800. seems about right

[Luke_]

yeah spotted one in a caryard near me, cosmo, vyII purple leather, climate m6 86,000km for 28,800. seems about right


Sounds about right, I got the same car, same options but in mint condition, 75,000km for about 27000

[stew297]

nice, love them. was that from a dealer mate or private?

[Luke_]

private sale. off an old bloke :)

[HSV590]

I have an SV8, the only reason is I couldn't afford an SS at the time and I'm an impatient bugger and coudln't wait so the SV8 was what I went for..If youv'e got the funds to buy an SS I wouldn't even consider the SV8..
Cheers

[VYSHSV8]

I have an SV8, the only reason is I couldn't afford an SS at the time and I'm an impatient bugger and coudln't wait so the SV8 was what I went for..If youv'e got the funds to buy an SS I wouldn't even consider the SV8..
Cheers

whats wrong with an SV8 yes it is a budget V8 but you dont get pulled over by the police as often as well coz it looks like a lumina etc etc:):)

[HSV590]

whats wrong with an SV8 yes it is a budget V8 but you dont get pulled over by the police as often as well coz it looks like a lumina etc etc:):)

I don't think I said anything was wrong with an SV8, as I said I have one, and I like it...All I'm saying is if I had enough $$$$ at the time, I personally wouldn't have gone with the SV8...Just my opinion on which of the two I'd have gone with, like the title of the thread is asking...
Cheers

[muzza]

Originally the SV8 was a fair bit cheaper and the SS a lot more for a few bits extra -mainly cosmetic (expensive options aside).
SV8 was lighter and all else being equal a bit quicker

I prefer the stealth look, no hassles with cops or idiots that like to steal or damage stuff - and cheaper to insure.

Seats aren't as soft as exec ones - have more bolster.

Standard v8, man or auto, LSD, FE2, cruise, air, 17" wheels, twin exhaust. Rear windows were manual, power rear only came with side air-bags. Leather not an option on VY I or II, no fog lamps.

[johno5.7]

personal choice - depends on what u r after in the car - the differences between them are minor. what ever u decide go a private sale - mainly due to the GST slug that u'll cop in the dealership on top of the vehicle price...

for me - will never do a dealership buy again

[Buckd1ch]

Pretty stupid question, but im going to ask it anyway, and in no way do i intend to turn this thread off topic, i just dont think the question deserves its own thread. Alot of talk about buying privately. I have no idea what paperwork etc is actually involved in buying privately. If anyone can shed some light on the whole process id be grateful :).

Cheers, Tim

[Max-Chev]

I bought my missus an silver Sv6 for 22k with 19's sept last year with 40 thou on the clock was overly impressed with it's handling, looks and whatever that I went and bought it's big brother, a stingred sv8 for 22k. I am now doing the mods thing. My opinion is you can't tell an SS from a distance anyway, and it looks just as good. As for the interior that will change as well.
saved a lot cash on the SS and am now going to enjoy having a makeover evry now and then to bringup to scratch.

The sv6 will be staying as is. Cant let her be king of the road as well as the kitchen.:evil:

Oh Yeah and both came from a car yard. Salters of Marooka to be exact. excellent service.

[Wonky]

personal choice - depends on what u r after in the car - the differences between them are minor. what ever u decide go a private sale - mainly due to the GST slug that u'll cop in the dealership on top of the vehicle price...

for me - will never do a dealership buy again
How does that work? :confused: Must admit the last 2nd hand car I bought from a car yard was over 25 years ago (just before GST :D) but I assumed the advertised price or price you then negotiate it down to already included GST??? You seem to be implying that it doesn't??? :confused:

I thought the only difference in general between dealer prices and the realistically priced private deals was that dealers have to pay their overheads and warranty cover costs plus try to make a profit of course!

[johno5.7]

How does that work? :confused: Must admit the last 2nd hand car I bought from a car yard was over 25 years ago (just before GST :D) but I assumed the advertised price or price you then negotiate it down to already included GST??? You seem to be implying that it doesn't??? :confused:

I thought the only difference in general between dealer prices and the realistically priced private deals was that dealers have to pay their overheads and warranty cover costs plus try to make a profit of course!

yes you'll pay more through a yard due to all costs associated with the yard and cars/warranty/service/detailing etc...

the advertised price in most cases unless expressly stated in advertisement will not include GST. I bought mine from a yard on the reduced ticket price then was added the gst - an extra 3 + g's....i know of other friends & work mates that have been slugged the GST on top of ticket price.

[HSV590]

yes you'll pay more through a yard due to all costs associated with the yard and cars/warranty/service/detailing etc...

the advertised price in most cases unless expressly stated in advertisement will not include GST. I bought mine from a yard on the reduced ticket price then was added the gst - an extra 3 + g's....i know of other friends & work mates that have been slugged the GST on top of ticket price.

Hmmmm, are you sure. I'm not 100% sure myself but I thought GST is included in the price as it's effectively a retail price, and an advertised retail price must include the GST. Can anyone else confirm that???

[Wonky]

Hmmmm, are you sure. I'm not 100% sure myself but I thought GST is included in the price as it's effectively a retail price, and an advertised retail price must include the GST. Can anyone else confirm that???
That's what I thought too. Hopefully Markone2 will read this thread and respond.

[markone2]

the advertised price in most cases unless expressly stated in advertisement will not include GST. I bought mine from a yard on the reduced ticket price then was added the gst - an extra 3 + g's....i know of other friends & work mates that have been slugged the GST on top of ticket price.

My apologies......unscrupulous dealers can vitually charge whatever add ons that take there fancy on 2nd hand vehicles...alas in this instance Picture tells a thousand words.......

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee4/markone2LRC/VaselineJelly.jpg

[johno5.7]

That's what I thought too. Hopefully Markone2 will read this thread and respond.

If it were I would have paid 38990 for my car inc GST but no i paid 41990 - i have the sales slip to prove it.

no they don't have to incl. GST into the price so long as it is advertised or advised as an additional cost.

just like some new cars are sold with a advertised price excl. on road and dealership costs.

anyway getting off topic -

[HazzaHSV]

Go the SV8's!!!!! :)

My advice. If you want to do it up past SS level (ie clubby kit, HSV interior bits, 19" wheels, coilovers, big brakes etc) and save big $$$ from buying genuine HSV then the SV8 is the answer. The bang for buck is unbeatable.

If you aren't looking at doing it up or modding it much go the SS (or if budget isnt a problem a HSV) from the start.

[subtle]

Mate i would normally say go the SV8 as i have one and think its great.at the time of purchase i couldnt justify the extra 10k for the SS.
however would a VX R8 Clubbie be out of the question as this would be in a similar price range and still a very good drive with a lot more options than an SS as well as being a HSV.or as others have said if the buget will stretch go for a VY clubbie.
Good luck with whatever you decide.

[HSV590]

Go the SV8's!!!!! :)

My advice. If you want to do it up past SS level (ie clubby kit, HSV interior bits, 19" wheels, coilovers, big brakes etc) and save big $$$ from buying genuine HSV then the SV8 is the answer. The bang for buck is unbeatable.

If you aren't looking at doing it up or modding it much go the SS (or if budget isnt a problem a HSV) from the start.

Ha, now thats the funny thing..As I said earlier, I bought an SV8 because I couldn't afford an SS at the time but really wanted the VY model/shape, so I bought an SV8..A couple of years down the track I shudder at the thought of how much I've spent on mods, and mine is moderately modded compared to some on this forum...Could probably have a clubbie for the total amount I've shelled out for the SV8 and mods...Oh well, thats life I guess...But I do love my SV8 still...
Cheers

[HazzaHSV]

Yes but if you have spent close to the price of a clubby on your SV8 and mods, you will leave the clubby for dead with power, handling, braking, exhaust note and fuel economy as opposed to having a bog stock clubby. Imagine how much you would have spent if you went SS or clubby + the mods.

Ha, now thats the funny thing..As I said earlier, I bought an SV8 because I couldn't afford an SS at the time but really wanted the VY model/shape, so I bought an SV8..A couple of years down the track I shudder at the thought of how much I've spent on mods, and mine is moderately modded compared to some on this forum...Could probably have a clubbie for the total amount I've shelled out for the SV8 and mods...Oh well, thats life I guess...But I do love my SV8 still...
Cheers

[HSV590]

Yes but if you have spent close to the price of a clubby on your SV8 and mods, you will leave the clubby for dead with power, handling, braking, exhaust note and fuel economy as opposed to having a bog stock clubby. Imagine how much you would have spent if you went SS or clubby + the mods.

True, some good points there...

[redvxr8clubby]

Yes but if you have spent close to the price of a clubby on your SV8 and mods, you will leave the clubby for dead with power, handling, braking, exhaust note and fuel economy as opposed to having a bog stock clubby. Imagine how much you would have spent if you went SS or clubby + the mods.

True, but if you buy a clubby and leave it stock, or limit the mods, when it comes time to sell I think the overall retained value would be better than an SV8 modified.

[HazzaHSV]

100% correct. That is why in my first post I said:
"If you aren't looking at doing it up or modding it much go the SS (or if budget isnt a problem a HSV) from the start."

True, but if you buy a clubby and leave it stock, or limit the mods, when it comes time to sell I think the overall retained value would be better than an SV8 modified.

[whitels1ss]

How does that work? :confused: Must admit the last 2nd hand car I bought from a car yard was over 25 years ago (just before GST :D) but I assumed the advertised price or price you then negotiate it down to already included GST??? You seem to be implying that it doesn't??? :confused:

I thought the only difference in general between dealer prices and the realistically priced private deals was that dealers have to pay their overheads and warranty cover costs plus try to make a profit of course!

Firstly I am a licenced dealer for 22 years.
The dealer claims back the GST on what he paid for the car, HE has to pay the GST back on what you pay him on his tax invoice or sale price, therefore the GST cost is only on his actual profit.
If he makes $3300 out of the car there is only $300 GST that is the dealers cost. Dealers include GST in their sale or advertised cost.
There are also statistics out there to say that there are a very high percentage of cars being sold as private sales that are back yard dealers, rebuilders and all sorts of shonks. At least if you buy from a dealer you know that you have a statutory warranty, guaranteed title and consumer protection laws to protect you.

[Wonky]

Dealers include GST in their sale or advertised cost.
That's what I thought too but the person to whom I was replying was saying that was not the case with him, hence my previous reply.

[cdawg]

I have noticed a vx clubsports in that price range. But to me i think they look outdated on the exterior and interior also. The interior is the same as a 96 VT. So nahh not a go


Firstly I am a licenced dealer for 22 years.
The dealer claims back the GST on what he paid for the car, HE has to pay the GST back on what you pay him on his tax invoice or sale price, therefore the GST cost is only on his actual profit.
If he makes $3300 out of the car there is only $300 GST that is the dealers cost. Dealers include GST in their sale or advertised cost.
There are also statistics out there to say that there are a very high percentage of cars being sold as private sales that are back yard dealers, rebuilders and all sorts of shonks. At least if you buy from a dealer you know that you have a statutory warranty, guaranteed title and consumer protection laws to protect you.

Im not having a go at all dealers here and my experience of the last few weeks hasnt been good at all. But the warranty that comes with the cars really isnt worth the paper its written on. My last car i bought from a car yard and he wouldnt move on the price but said he would throw in a 3 year 175,000 warranty (it wasnt a dealer warranty but a smaller company that does them i think). About a month after having my car the rear diff was on its way out. Well i took it to a diff specialist and he spoke the the warranty place and the hoops that we would have had to gone through was a nightmare. And really they would only replace the centre because everything else was wear and tear. Wasnt worth it in the end. So i just paid for a whole new rear end and ripped the warranty certifcate and threw it in the bin