Ve axle tramp 2011

[JJW501]

VE AXLE TRAMP 2011

OK I have bad axle tramp in me 2009.5 VE ute. I don't do burnouts or go to the drags, it just irritates me when I go to take off in the rain and with the slightest slip it tramps.

I have experimented with flooring it and 9 times out of 10 it tramps violently.

I have read here about coilovers, bush kits, control arms, different sized axles, tyres......the list goes on and I haven't found any hard evidence that one particular thing fixes the tramp.

Does anyone have a proven fix?

Don't tell me to get new tyres......it has done it since new and even if new tyres did fix I am not going to replace them every 3000kms.

Other people have a bush kit that works for a few weeks and then the tramp is back.

I see in the states they are selling different axles. Anyone here have the kit and have a review?

All help appreciated.

JJW

[fastestls7]

try taking of under 5000 rpm? seriously cant say that you cant take off at any speed without spining the wheels and axle tramp. unlesss you hace aceramic button clutch?

[JJW501]

I think you miss read my post.......Even when I take off steady, clutch all the way out, turning in the wet from T-intersection, you can't get this thing to drive forward without slight spin sometimes, but this leads to big tramp.

I have read on here that some people reckon it doesn't do it if you floor it, hence why I tried it as an experiement, but that is not the case with my vehicle. Again, I don't drive around sideways everywhere.

I also drive on dirt roads/farms and a little wheel spin is inevitable. I'm not talking about the rear wheels spinning 100kmh faster than what you are driving at.

Whether you want to nit pick my post and driving or not, I am looking for USEFUL information regarding fixing tramp on VE's. Simple.

This is the only vehicle that I have ever owned that does it. It is really p'ing me off! Ute has some simple mods, nothing extreme. It tramped before the mods anyway.

JJW

[ssv402]

In all seriousness, replacing all of the standard suspension bushings to polyurethane bushings fixed it in my old ve, but it rode very hard as a consequence as it was lowered too. The diff mounts were also replaced.
The lowering with pedders sports ryder shocks and springs could have been what fixed it also... So theres three things that i know were related to my issues of axle tramp.

[Knawful]

You must have one of them there freak motor, or a cop chip.

Mine only does it when i mash the loud pedal.

As far as i can gather it's a rear end geometry issue., not an easy fix. (?)

[Wonky]

I know of someone very knowledgeable who has been working on this for over a year and has the answer. He has had some expensive axles made up at his own cost but yesterday in EXCESSV's My Ride thread Dean made reference to a readily available solution. http://www.shop.gforce1320.com/produ...&categoryId=23

I have no idea as to how well they work but that's the apparent correct approach.

[Djbarnstar]

I know of someone very knowledgeable who has been working on this for over a year and has the answer. He has had some expensive axles made up at his own cost but yesterday in EXCESSV's My Ride thread Dean made reference to a readily available solution. http://www.shop.gforce1320.com/produ...&categoryId=23

I have no idea as to how well they work but that's the apparent correct approach.

Yep thanks to Excessv! This is going into my car and we will see if it works.

This is what my tramp is like at its worst....

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(My car is set up for the circuit however)

[JJW501]

OK thats great to hear some positive feedback regarding the GForce axles.

Seems a lot cheaper than coilovers etc.

Any idea on labour cost to install the GForce axle kit???

JJW

[Djbarnstar]

In all seriousness, replacing all of the standard suspension bushings to polyurethane bushings fixed it in my old ve, but it rode very hard as a consequence as it was lowered too. The diff mounts were also replaced.
The lowering with pedders sports ryder shocks and springs could have been what fixed it also... So theres three things that i know were related to my issues of axle tramp.

I have tried:
- Bushes (was told it would fix 90% of tramp... what a load of crap)
- Tru track
- Teins (different heights and different rebound settings)

Still get tramp.

Going to try the G force set up. I figure it will be about a grand installed.

[Steve-LS2]

Yep thanks to Excessv! This is going into my car and we will see if it works.

This is what my tramp is like at its worst....

YouTube - Axel tramp



(My car is set up for the circuit however)

Please keep us posted as mine has had shocking Axle tramp under ANY traction loss since new.

Has only had 1 set of tyres, never lowered either.

Be very interested to see.

[dimmo]

The factory Holden diff bushes are not a complete bush. They have far to much room for allowing the diff to rock forward and backwards hence creating axle tramp. SuperPro makes and awesome bush for the diff. It will help with tramp but there is no magic cure. And as for experience I have tried this on several cars and it has been a vast improvement. I'll try get some pics up tonight.

[JJW501]

The factory Holden diff bushes are not a complete bush. They have far to much room for allowing the diff to rock forward and backwards hence creating axle tramp. SuperPro makes and awesome bush for the diff. It will help with tramp but there is no magic cure. And as for experience I have tried this on several cars and it has been a vast improvement. I'll try get some pics up tonight.

Hey Dimmo thanks for the input.........I thought that this was a proven mod on the VT-VZ series but not so successful for the VE's????

[2ajmanvell82]

Both Me and my Father and mate have VE's, We all suffered from axle tramp, slow in the wet is the worst, or if your wheels are spinning hard/fast and then as the start to pick up traction.

What brand of bushings are people getting fitted to their cradles? I have seen the Nolathane kit fitted and not help alot and when u have the kit side by side with the superpro kit, it is half the bushings and not as dense a bush, although would have to be better than standard.

In my Maloo I had superpro cradle bushings fitted and HSD coilovers, normal height-slammed 18" wheels & semi-slicks-20 & 22" street wheels/tyres, bolt on only to various supercharger setups and outputs-220rwkw-410rwkw and never ever got 1 bit of signs of tramp.

My Fathers is just a VE SS with SSL and my HSV shocks which helped ride but it still tramps, bushings next mod.
My mates Maloo, SSSL's and lowered Monroe shocks and bushings, tramp all fixed also.

I have recently bought the E2 Clubsport and it has SSSL's and 22's on it, havn't had any trouble with slow wet tramp yet but it lightly tramps when spinning wheels and shifts 1-2-3 being A6 and shifting firm, so just looking at getting the bushings done again to see how they go and also wanting to fit pedders XA's when possible.

The bushings have to help to some degree no matter what when u see the size and the amount of flex, if I put my car in D and R with brakes on u can watch how far the wheel moves just on the stall load at idle and a little accel, they move around alot!!!

Also had the front bush fitted as the front wheel flex's back so far also.

The geometry of it all doesn't help the way all the forces work but bushings & shock control-bump & rebound have to do alot of the help of reduction to tramp, especially at low friction wet condition tramp, for those it's not completly helping such as those on the strip as there is a high grip situation, and if you are spinning the wheels and trying to get a car moving is going to flex everything the most, hopefully the axle set can really make the last thing needed.

having good bushes in the suspension what ever way u go about it is always going to be a good thing taking excess movement/flex.

Goodluck, hopefully u can get it 100%

[Ripcell]

i dont know much about the rear of the VE, however ive got the Harrop sport diff cover on my vz ute, it bolts up to the rear frame quite hard, it helps the tramp a bit however ive found (i think anyway) that the rear tyres seem to contribute to it a fair bit, i had some hero things on it when i bought it and it tramped a fair bit, its got better tyres on it now and i found it helped a lot.

that are the diff mounts like on the ve?

[big_block_hg]

My axle tramp is severe and slowly driving me insane. It's ruining what is an otherwise great car.

Tried urethane cradle bushes - still tramps.
Tried coil-overs - still tramps.

Fitting urethane diff bushes now, will see if they make any difference (I'm not confident).

I'm determined to get to the bottom of this once & for all by making one change at a time until it's gone.

Next step will be the BMR Trailing arms.

I'm very curious to find out how you go with the G-Force axles Djbarnstar as I've been warned by others on here not to waste my money as they are not a 100% fix.