Does HSV understand its Market?

[Toddler78]

The problem with what you want is that the car is built by Holden. HSV basically do limited bolt ons. The lack of flexibilty at Holden is most notoriously exhibited in the manufacturing process of the W427. Holden had to build them with a wet-sump LS3 as it had no capacity to build the car with a dry-sump LS7. The cars were shipped off to HSV who had to rip the LS3 out and replace it with the LS7 and dry sump. This is a big part of the reason behind the cost premium of the W427 over a GTS.

If your idea for tick-a-box options were limited to basic bolt ons such as wheels, springs, dampers, seats, seat trim, exhaust, CAI, I think you have a hope, but not if it means ripping out Engines or Gearboxs, the W427 experience rules that out at any sensible cost.

Cheers, Matthew

I get what you are saying, but really to have all the drivetrain parts ready to go at elizabeth, once the order is placed for a LSA'd engine 6 speed manual to go into a LWB car; its not exactly hard to program it in to the automation process. I can understand holden not doing it for holden cars ie V8 omega, as it will then detract from the SS sale but I think it is a viable option for HSV to keep both the original hardcore and the newer less passionate fans happy

[C4B]

So Monaro buyers didn't spend HSV amounts of money, or display HSV buyer levels of passion and expectation?
Ok then...

That's as absurd as suggesting that I displayed HSV levels of passion when I bought my latest Prado (same price as a GTS and a shitload more than a Monaro).

Bottom Line: You haven't purchased a new HSV and no matter how much you try and parallel the purchase of a Holden, it'll never be the same (having purchased several new Holdens & HSV's I know how just how big a difference there is!). Come back when you have a Tax Invoice in your name for a shiny new HSV...........

[OFDHZY]

That's as absurd as suggesting that I displayed HSV levels of passion when I bought my latest Prado (same price as a GTS and a shitload more than a Monaro).

Bottom Line: You haven't purchased a new HSV and no matter how much you try and parallel the purchase of a Holden, it'll never be the same (having purchased several new Holdens & HSV's I know how just how big a difference there is!). Come back when you have a Tax Invoice in your name for a shiny new HSV...........

...Shutdown!!!

[nailit]

That's as absurd as suggesting that I displayed HSV levels of passion when I bought my latest Prado (same price as a GTS and a shitload more than a Monaro).
Come back when you have a Tax Invoice in your name for a shiny new HSV...........

Why didnt I say that!!!!

. . . and somehow I think a few ppl at Clayton will only understand the HSV experience if they do just that. . . .

[nailit]

For what its worth, have a look at post #620 on here

http://www.hsvforum.com.au/showthrea...rage(s)/page62

These are what we drive as daily's . . . althought the old man gets first choice (cos he gets up earlier) . . . and the Prado is his current favorite!!! . . . but it would be rare not to see every one of these leave the garage every week!!!

there was a time that every car in our "Daily" garage was a HSV. . . see a couple of post earlier

apologies for using data from another forum but its dads domain (Sniper) on that forum . . . and I am happy if the admin at LS! wish to edit this post!!!

[VYSHSV8]

Those two Jap cars taking up space
Although there was a VY SV8 where the Prado is last Christmas
Driven the W427 And the Senator and been taken for a little blah around the hills by Dan in the Ricer

What an experience it was being at your place mate and myself and my kids are eternally grateful it was an experience to behold.
Such passion and enthusiasm in your family about the HSV / HDT brand, so thanks to you and your Dad for it

[BullockBob]

I for one am looking forward to taking delivery of a new Chlorophyll GTS in about a week.

I'm not sure what else is out there in that price range and that market segment for the price. I don't think there is anything. FPV maybe? I drove a couple before ordering the GTS. There wasn't enough in them to make me want to change. Engine was nice, but not spectacular.

So what else in that market? Not much imo. I think HSV knows the market it wants to play in fairly well. Not to say there isn't room for improvement, as I am sure they also realise. But I think our (car owners) dreams and aspirations are sometimes a little ott.

[Martin_D]

Bottom Line: You haven't purchased a new HSV and no matter how much you try and parallel the purchase of a Holden, it'll never be the same (having purchased several new Holdens & HSV's I know how just how big a difference there is!). Come back when you have a Tax Invoice in your name for a shiny new HSV...........

Heres the good thing about living in Australia.
If/when you get sick of the HSV experience....you can go out and choose from 1000 different other cars that are on the market.

A bit of variety keeps things in perspective and expectations real.
Some real clever design and thinking going on in auto land at the moment, and you have to ask, 'How can Toyota/Subaru design, engineer and develop a car that looks like this, is benchmarked against Porsche for chassis performance, all for sub-40K?'

when an Omega lists for more.....

Someone is getting the rough end of the stick


(BTW I have fond memories of my last new HSV)

[steve_t]

'How can Toyota/Subaru design, engineer and develop a car that looks like this, is benchmarked against Porsche for chassis performance, all for sub-40K?'

147kw and 205nm isn't amazing but a kerb weight of 1220kg is pretty alright. 0-100 in 6 seconds isn't spectacular but pretty good for a 2 litre NA. No room for a turbo in the engine bay. No room for an AWD model. It'll be interesting to see how this sells.

[Martin_D]

Good points but not the point of this thread.
My point is - if a manufacturer can produce something that looks like that for so cheap - then we should really expect special things lashing out near on $100K for a Commodore.

Big money buys a lot of car these days

As for the BRZ/FT86? They will possibly sell 50,000 or so

[nailit]

Heres the good thing about living in Australia.
If/when you get sick of the HSV experience....you can go out and choose from 1000 different other cars that are on the market.

A bit of variety keeps things in perspective and expectations real.

when an Omega lists for more.....

Someone is getting the rough end of the stick

Exactly . . . its getting harder and harder to keep HSV at the top of the shopping list . . . and HSV/Holden will have to respond.

I feel that there is enough "armoury" still floating around in the Global GM parts bin that can bring us a better (and more exciting) product than they have over the last 2 years (E2 & E3) . . . the LSA with its wet sump would be all too easy for the Holden production line at Elizabeth . . . we understand that the W427 with its dry sump was a messy scenareo for HSV/Holden . . . and so would the LS9 be too hard . . . but shit. . . the LSA is up to the task!!! . . and would have been easily applied to the HSV range using a stocker exhaust with 360 - 380 KW and that would have left HSV with another upgrade using exhaust etc for a HERO Car to use the full 417KW of the Caddy CTSV Spec LSA

I went out in this thing last night Active Automotive dyno tune and R&D Graeme's Harrop Stealth Force supercharged Senator to 534 rwhp - YouTube . . its really bloody sweet . . . and feels very nice in nearly every respect . . . all it needs is a bigger Screen in the Dash and the rear shockers tuned properly and its one very nice jet . . . and it uses a near stock Exhaust with the HSV 2 1/4" Bimodals out the rear!!!

[Martin_D]

Anyway...regardless of whether HSV knows, cares or understands....where is Planetdavo? Hopefully his mum hasnt confiscated the computer again

[Vulture]

As for the BRZ/FT86? They will possibly sell 50,000 or so

Yeah, it looks interesting - especially the light weight. But I am cautious of whether it will become a hairdressers' car (even though it won't deserve that derogatory tag I am sure). 147Kw might not feel all that bad in a nice handling, light weight package. Will be interesting to see the reviews of this thing.

[rgmast]

Anyway...regardless of whether HSV knows, cares or understands....where is Planetdavo? Hopefully his mum hasnt confiscated the computer again

I think his so called missus found out he spent HSV money on a Monaro and ripped him another

[Martin_D]

I think his so called missus found out he spent HSV money on a Monaro and ripped him another

Some forum gold right there kids rgmast