HSV reluctance to provide test cars.

[RAVENLS1]

i wouldn't call it a gutless peice of crap, just not as as good as what holden had

[RAVENLS1]

I am only relaying what ford mechanics put up with, I would speak facts but I have never had the luxury of working at a Ford dealership and I left the trade 9 years ago but i still have alot of friends in the trade and i can only tell people what I am told. And as for the LS1 oil burning POS, I have 1 of these and with 180,000 K's on the clock and still running 5/30 weight oil and not using a drop, I guess I got one of the good ones.

So, thats my proof where's yours about HSV giving there cars away.........

the LS1 is rattley though!

[awesome _vzss]

2008 Ford Falcon FPV GT 5.4L 315 kW =58.33 kw/litre


1999 HSV LS1 5.7L 250 kw =43.86 kw/litre
1999 HSV GTS LS1 5.7L 300 kw =52.63 kw/litre
2002 HSV LS1 5.7L 260 kw =45.61 kw/litre
2003 HSV LS1 5.7L 285 kw =50 kw/litre
2004 HSV LS2 6.0L 297 kw =49.5 kw/litre
2006 HSV LS2 6.OL 307 kw =51.17 kw/litre
2008 HSV Maloo, Clubsport, Senator 6.2L 317 kW =51.13 kw/litre
2008 HSV GTS, Grange 6.2L 325 kw =52.42 kw/litre


Just sayin'

On paper it does sound good,but the cars fitted with the 5.4L just don't go as good as it sounds imo.
I'm not being one sided,as I test drove a bf xr8 manual before choosing to purchase the vz ss which I thought was the better car out of the 2.

[Wonky]

Do you honestly think that HSV are not selling their vehicles at a profit??? Get off the grass mate.

Even if they only break even on their cars they make a heap on their parts, even allowing for a smaller manufacturing base. For example, Holden VE guard approx $250 ea, HSV guard approx $770 ea! SSV undertray approx $65 ea, HSV undertray (very similar) $440 ea!!

[Evman]

Why are you all so focused on HSV? The real question is "Why doesn't Ferrari provide cars for multiple-car comparisons??"

I smell conspiracy.

Either that or they just don't want to be seen to be beaten. But that's just too obvious.

[cashie]

2008 Ford Falcon FPV GT 5.4L 315 kW =58.33 kw/litre


1999 HSV LS1 5.7L 250 kw =43.86 kw/litre
1999 HSV GTS LS1 5.7L 300 kw =52.63 kw/litre
2002 HSV LS1 5.7L 260 kw =45.61 kw/litre
2003 HSV LS1 5.7L 285 kw =50 kw/litre
2004 HSV LS2 6.0L 297 kw =49.5 kw/litre
2006 HSV LS2 6.OL 307 kw =51.17 kw/litre
2008 HSV Maloo, Clubsport, Senator 6.2L 317 kW =51.13 kw/litre
2008 HSV GTS, Grange 6.2L 325 kw =52.42 kw/litre


Just sayin'

They are nice numbers Seedy, but as I am certain you know, these numbers alone tell you SFA about the engine on the road.
As has been discussed on here about a million times, the 5.4 boss engines were a really compromised design with very poor power/torque where you needed it and when the heads/cams started to really come on song it hit the long stroke imposed rev cut.... really frustrated me in all the ones I've owned (both auto and manual).

[XLR8 V8]

Just wondering why in the past 12 months HSV have suddenly been reluctant to provide test cars to mags and car forums when ever a S/C miami GT is being tested? have they suddenly become scared? or is there another reason??

Do you actually have a legitimate source that can verify that HSV have turned down providing test cars when asked for, purely based on the fact a S/C GT is being tested at the same time?
If not, this thread is purely speculation on your part and really has no point other than trolling and baiting.

[iamhappy46]

Who is FPV? I lost interest in Ford performance in the 80's and remember something about Tickford(a Ford with all the options 'Tick'ed?) and have never been beaten by any Ford recently. Should I be worried that one of these new XR6T's or Coyote's will overtake me after I have already overtaken them?

Now that is what you call trolling...

[james2]

good thread ,having had a couple of GT's in the distant past i find the new breed of "ford performace cars"a gumbo of if's but's and should have been's.my last two cars are hsv 's and will continue to buy then as i find them to be what i like and require in my daily driver,their have been a plethera of e series tests so why have another just for the sake of having one .i am sure that they will be turned inside out by the car mags when the new model is released.

[Stampy]

Who is FPV? I lost interest in Ford performance in the 80's and remember something about Tickford(a Ford with all the options 'Tick'ed?) and have never been beaten by any Ford recently. Should I be worried that one of these new XR6T's or Coyote's will overtake me after I have already overtaken them?

Now that is what you call trolling...

Mate wakeup!!! Turbo6.......Coyote SC V8...........HELLO! Jeeeez!!! My LS3 has been thrashed by both!!

[Solone]

Some good points raised by all.

Ford and holden have some explaining to do.

When we got the 5.7 gen3 it killed all the ford v8s with that old 5.0 they had in the eb to au series. then ford tried to release that 5.4 version which also got spanked by the 5.7 gen3 and the 6.0 in the current ve. ford just couldnt compete from 1999 to 2010. i remember every second month the motor and wheels magazines had a hsv or ss killing a fpv and those old tickford cars. ford basically need to explain 10 years of bad performance in the 5.0 and 5.4 cars.

Now holdens fault is since the ford product came with a supercharger in 2010 there has been almost no direct comparisons with the hsv or ss. from every second month to nothing. it would appear that holden/hsv are running away. ford got spanked fir 10 years but at least they would participate.

[4VMan]

Some good points raised by all.

Ford and holden have some explaining to do.

When we got the 5.7 gen3 it killed all the ford v8s with that old 5.0 they had in the eb to au series. then ford tried to release that 5.4 version which also got spanked by the 5.7 gen3 and the 6.0 in the current ve. ford just couldnt compete from 1999 to 2010. i remember every second month the motor and wheels magazines had a hsv or ss killing a fpv and those old tickford cars. ford basically need to explain 10 years of bad performance in the 5.0 and 5.4 cars.

Now holdens fault is since the ford product came with a supercharger in 2010 there has been almost no direct comparisons with the hsv or ss. from every second month to nothing. it would appear that holden/hsv are running away. ford got spanked fir 10 years but at least they would participate.

Yep, hence why i started this topic, and you are right. It seems FPV were happy to keep providing cars which continually were beaten by HSV offerings yet now that the GT is significantly faster and spanks the LS3 Cars HSV go hiding... At this rate it could be a long couple of years of solo mag tests till we see what VF offers..?

[CHEETR]

from someone who sold HSV for 3years until 4months ago when i left .. i can honestly tell you HSV is struggling very bad, we went from 6months meetings to like twice a month with HSV and from selling 15 cars a month to struggling to reach 6or7..

we were making no margin out of them, some backwards to get rid of them from sitting on our floor plan.

so honestly macca, HSV may be making coin, but the dealers are not and the numbers are no longer there either.

[SM1DY]

When we got the 5.7 gen3 it killed all the ford v8s with that old 5.0 they had in the eb to au series. then ford tried to release that 5.4 version which also got spanked by the 5.7 gen3 and the 6.0 in the current ve. ford just couldnt compete from 1999 to 2010. i remember every second month the motor and wheels magazines had a hsv or ss killing a fpv and those old tickford cars. ford basically need to explain 10 years of bad performance in the 5.0 and 5.4 cars.

I'd be interested to know how you came up with these numbers, because my calculations suggest that it has been around 25yrs of Holden V8 dominance

[4VMan]

Well it didnt take HSV long to retreat did it, will the next model have 1 forward and 6 reverse??!! (thats a joke by the way...) :-)