HSV reluctance to provide test cars.

[XR4TED]

Tis the festive season after all!!!! I have an E2 Auto GTS with 45000km's with a tune and an OTR on it that is willing to be tested! You talk about put up or shut up... here you go. You go to Motor Magazine and organise my car to be tested against your fancy new GT Variant (must be in NSW as I am offering my car and time to organise). I am a realistic I love my car but its not the best this, fastest that.

4VMan would you support a test against your beloved GT with a Walkinshaw supercharged LS3 instead???? I would like to hear your opinion on this this test!!!

Do you think FPV would shy away????

It comes down to marketing, and in a competitive environment market share is key. You will never know why there is reluctance if any from HSV unless you speak to their marketing team and I am sure they are not going to tell you what their strategy is.

You can jump on as many forums as you like and say what ever you want the fact is and it has been covered before its about Brand loyalty and for most its hard to break. I have always loved Holden and HSV but really liked the F6 Typhoon when it came out but not enough to buy one.

Given the chance I would step out of HSV tomorrow into a C63 if I could afford it and never look back. This is all about being objective and not one eyed!

[Martin_D]

Holden and Ford should be more worried about Hyundai et al, than each other.
Both are on borrowed time here.....would be good to see them try and make it last just a little longer

[Martin_D]

its about Brand loyalty and for most its hard to break....This is all about being objective and not one eyed!

Contradiction?
The concept of fostering brand loyalty to a multi-national car maker that will go out of their way to gouge at Point Of Sale then try and avoid making warranty repairs when it affects their bottom line is a perverse idea. You are lucky if you are but a number.

Brand loyalty is founded on ignorance rather than passion. It may be admirable to footy team followers, but real car enthusiasts appreciate the car for what it is, in the cold hard light of day, in isolation, rather than the brainwashing of the marketing department, and should be prepared to consider improved substitute options.

[XR4TED]

That was my point Martin, be objective not one eyed and appreciate the car for what it is and that there is something better, faster. There are many HSV supporters out there that will possibly never own second hand or be able to afford to buy new car but through marketing (ignorance or brainwashing) still have the passion for the Brand. Perhaps I didn't get my point across so aptly but I agree whole heartedly with you.

[Evman]

[Martin_D]

This thread delivers alright.......for dumbasses

[Plenty]

AFAIK the only test HSV were absent was in the top speed run down the runway, and they didn't say they refused, they only said they didn't provide a car.

To answer the WHY question, why do they need to? they have done both track and road tests of the cars in multiple variants so they're not hiding, they have proved their point and no longer need to gain value on the name. FPV on that other hand!

[4VMan]

Tis the festive season after all!!!! I have an E2 Auto GTS with 45000km's with a tune and an OTR on it that is willing to be tested! You talk about put up or shut up... here you go. You go to Motor Magazine and organise my car to be tested against your fancy new GT Variant (must be in NSW as I am offering my car and time to organise). I am a realistic I love my car but its not the best this, fastest that.

4VMan would you support a test against your beloved GT with a Walkinshaw supercharged LS3 instead???? I would like to hear your opinion on this this test!!!

Do you think FPV would shy away????

It comes down to marketing, and in a competitive environment market share is key. You will never know why there is reluctance if any from HSV unless you speak to their marketing team and I am sure they are not going to tell you what their strategy is.

You can jump on as many forums as you like and say what ever you want the fact is and it has been covered before its about Brand loyalty and for most its hard to break. I have always loved Holden and HSV but really liked the F6 Typhoon when it came out but not enough to buy one.

Given the chance I would step out of HSV tomorrow into a C63 if I could afford it and never look back. This is all about being objective and not one eyed!

Not sure how relevant it would be testing modified cars such as the walkinshaw LS3 against factory stock cars.... LOL
Where do you draw the line? What would be the point comparing a modified car to a stock one?
In any event i agree about brand loyalty.

[4VMan]

the old 5.4 is quicker than the ls3 because in ONE test that actually did happen. I know where you're coming from Plenty, the ls3 is very tractable, sounds great, and has plenty of performance, and the hsv is the better vehicle overall.

but that isn't the point of the thread as far as I can tell...

...the last two comparisons where fpv's new gt was compared with other performance vehicles hsv REFUSED to supply cars.
The op is not making this up, it is what the press said. The question isn't over which is or isn't better, the question is why has hsv refused.

Thankyou, this is exactly my question, so everyone can calm down, the HSV product is a very good product, so the point im pondering is why wont HSV provide cars for COMPARRISON against the S/C GT products?

[Plenty]

And it's been answered! They have done all the tests needed! It'll be like watching re-runs of a tv show!

[macca33]

Gone around in circles for long enough now.

If you want the answer Mr 4VMan, ring HSV after New Year.