Young drivers face V8 car ban until 21

[CLUBRED]

Same in QLD - A P plater can drive a VE 3.6 SIDI 210 kW SV6.

No they can't, it's over 200kw, can on your Ls but. [edit] yes they can. was changed to 210 late last year..

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Licensing/...-vehicles.aspx

[Phillshz]

I dont understand that either.

Same in QLD - A P plater can drive a VE 3.6 SIDI 210 kW SV6 - But cant touch a 104 kW 1.4 litre turbo Cruze, or a 30 year old VH 253 V8 with 100 kW

Has been like that in NSW for many years. Doesn`t make sense! Though power to weight to should be taken into consideration ie 1900kg VE vs 1450kg for a VH 253. Many people get around the system via exemptions for work vehicles eg V8 utes. ( the amount of V8 utes running around with P plates shows how the system is being rorted)

Driver education is very important,but is forever overlooked. How many times have Ian Luff or Mark Skaife campaigned for it but nothing ever happens.

[VYSHSV8]

wtf...............

Happened in Perth on the foreshore just prior to Chrissy.....

[tacka007]

the govement are never bout road safty they are all bout revenue always making new laws so they can book more people and make more money. if they were for real bout this they would get a car for every secodary school in the country and run driver education and put every new person who gets there licence threw a defencive driving course but no they are all bout making money for them selves.if they used all the money from traffic infringments and fines im sure there would be enough to fund these sorts of programs, when i was at school more than 20 years ago my school was runing such a program but was then shut down because of funding issuse`s.

[HazzaHSV]

Happened in Perth on the foreshore just prior to Chrissy.....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-2...m-tree/3739854

[Mick1]

Originally Posted by smithenberry
wtf...............

Happened in Perth on the foreshore just prior to Chrissy.....

My reaction was also WTF!
Think he's talking about how cleanly the side of the car has separated from the body, like it was demo-sawed.

[dazzrael]

its the same old question and outrage that has been going around for years, the fact of the matter is obvious to see: the government DOES NOT CARE what the community actually wants, what could actually SAVE LIVES, they only care about sensationalist short term fixes for what is largely a media generated problem.

Im sure if you examined the road accident/fatality statistics for the last 50 years you would see an increase that could be attributed to the rise in the countries population and access to disposable income for the purchase of motor vehicles, but that comparison is never made in the public forum so increased accidents on the road MUST be attributed to drivers and the cars they are driving?

The cars we drive today are 100% safer than the cars our parents/grandparents were driving when they were first introduced into this country, so how will limiting what people can drive without any real world evidence that the restrictions will make one ounce of difference help?

Answer is it will not, as previously stated by several others in this thread, only education can help to save lives on our roads, no amount of nannying by the state will stop people from behaving in a reckless manner on the roads, they have to WANT to do it, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink!

[steve_t]

The cars we drive today are 100% safer than the cars our parents/grandparents were driving when they were first introduced into this country, so how will limiting what people can drive without any real world evidence that the restrictions will make one ounce of difference help?

Answer is it will not, as previously stated by several others in this thread, only education can help to save lives on our roads, no amount of nannying by the state will stop people from behaving in a reckless manner on the roads, they have to WANT to do it, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink!

It seems I'm on the minority side along with the other old people on here. I think restricting inexperienced drivers from piloting ridiculously powerful cars is a good idea, as per the LAMS for motorcycles. As much as I'd love to believe that educating everyone would stop people from being reckless idiots, I have grown old and cynical and don't believe that any amount of education is going to stop douchebags from being douchebags. I don't really care if they kill themselves but taking innocent other people with them is no acceptable.

[crackelaktor]

All I can say that up until the age of 26, I took many risks and drove like an idiot. Didn't have accidents but could have easily killed myself and others between the age of 17-26. Don't know why I was so stupid but believe there is some merit in what people are saying. At 37, I still struggle to keep myself from putting my foot down, but definitely drive more responsible than I use to. Not all 17-26 year olds will be as wild as I was behind the wheel, but more would be than not.

[mattnsw]

I guess we all see examples of bad driving during our daily commute but does anyone actually take notice who the main offenders are? I’ll put it out there, young females in small 4 cylinder cars weaving through traffic with no time to wait, 4 wheel drives playing push and shove because of their size, impatient, aggressive and exhausted truckies, a whole range of demographics on phones, eating, smoking, putting on makeup, arms out windows when both hands should be on the wheel, intolerant mums and dads and this list could get very long.

It seems to me that the Australian motoring community at large is not interested in adhering to the basics of good driving practice yet young people in high powered cars is the main focus of Government safety initiative’s or should I say, misguided Government intervention as a means to be seen as doing something. I understand the young are highly represented in accidental deaths regardless of the type of reckless activity compared to other age groups but I can’t ever remember seeing any solid statistics that show the percentage of young drivers killed in road accidents that are actually driving a high powered vehicle as opposed to young people killed in low powered cars. Has anyone got access to these type of statistics, it would be interesting to see what the real story is without the political point scoring.

All I can say is Australian motorists in general regardless of age have poor driving skills and even poorer road manners and for most, it is way too late to change their attitude, in fact most are a complete lost cause. But education of the young has always been the secret to change so why would driver education be any different.

As others have said, there will always be those that lose the plot and do something stupid and the end result may be tragic but education works and it’s the ones that don’t become statistics that are saved and the long term attitudinal change of Australian driver’s will be the real benefiter. You can never start too young and the Government should as a matter of urgency be pouring money into it and road users may start to feel something good is coming from all the money raised from traffic violations instead of seeing it as a greedy revenue stream.

[aussiemuscle308]

Banning V8s.....Rubbish, I say.
Plenty of cars more powerful, faster, & just as available as a V8......so just "banning V8s"..

i agree, you don't need a v8 to get into trouble

or should I say, misguided Government intervention as a means to be seen as doing something.

it's not like it's the government's place to tell us how to live anyway. despite all the movies about evil govts taking over every aspect of our lives, i think when the day comes, people will be applauding it when it does.

[VYBerlinaV8]

A bit of quick googling throws up some interesting results.

1) Between ages 17-19 the risk of death in an accident is about 4 times higher than for the population generally.
2) Far more fatal crashes occur at night rather than during the day. Weekends have higher crash rates than during the week.
3) Far more fatal crashes occur when there are multiple passengers, especially when under age 20.
4) Males are far more likely than females to be involved in fatal crashes when under the age of 20.

Interesting.

[NIXON]

P platers shouldn't be allowed to drive v6s as far as I'm concerned....

[tacka007]

P platers shouldn't be allowed to drive v6s as far as I'm concerned....

how about we just ban everyone from driving till there 30,

[tacka007]

P platers shouldn't be allowed to drive v6s as far as I'm concerned....

so your off your p plates who says that your mature enough to drive a v6 now you might not even be capable ov driving a 4 cylinder,