Ford tickford T3 250kw

[ls1 VN]

Factory cars are not performance upgrades, they simply don't do it anymore. Dealer race specials back in the fun days of group 1 when you could option your car with a 10 bolt Salisbury or 351/350, find the right dealer pay the money and it shows up.

A factory released car maybe marketed as performance but an oem cammed/head/aspirated or fi is exactly that, a factory car. You want more go see your local engine builder

So now you've changed to factory cars.....the god damn argument is stock V performance engine, just because a cars come from the factory floor does not make the engine standard.

[T3man]

kiwis are a bit strange...ay bro

Well I'm glad someone has finally come out and said it! LOL.

[zorro]

VT HSV LS1 series 2 produced 250kw performance engine

VZ LS1 produced 235kw Domestic
HSV VZ produced 250 & 260kw Performance

How layman do you want to get.

No I haven't changed argument just putting things into perspective as many ways i can as you seem to be set on factory performance.

They are both standard motors, the ls1 was the breadwinner once the lt1 came to an end, then from there the progression of the ls series. Whatever was thrown in the car was irrelevant it is a standard showroom car, nothing performance issued. You don't buy a clubby with an aftermarket cam or heads it comes to you a standard clubsport off the showroom floor.

AND the VZ ls1 is not a VZ HSV ls2, the ls2 was the next inline above the ls1, 297 engine killerwasps can be achieved with ls1 as there are plenty tune only making 225+ at the wheels. They could of done it, well they did up until the ls2 was put in but the Holden's were getting the l76 so it would of left hsv in a pickle

The TE50 was not a special build, you didn't option a stroker or think maybe a 6 cyl would be better, that's what it came with standard.

[ls1 VN]

Well I'm glad someone has finally come out and said it! LOL.

So you thick pricks would say that if GM bought out a 2013 Vette or HSV a car with a n/a LS3 motor producing say 650fwhp that it's a standard motor. ffs get real

[ls1 VN]

No I haven't changed argument just putting things into perspective as many ways i can as you seem to be set on factory performance.

They are both standard motors, the ls1 was the breadwinner once the lt1 came to an end, then from there the progression of the ls series. Whatever was thrown in the car was irrelevant it is a standard showroom car, nothing performance issued. You don't buy a clubby with an aftermarket cam or heads it comes to you a standard clubsport off the showroom floor.

AND the VZ ls1 is not a VZ HSV ls2, the ls2 was the next inline above the ls1, 297 engine killerwasps can be achieved with ls1 as there are plenty tune only making 225+ at the wheels. They could of done it, well they did up until the ls2 was put in but the Holden's were getting the l76 so it would of left hsv in a pickle

The TE50 was not a special build, you didn't option a stroker or think maybe a 6 cyl would be better, that's what it came with standard.

What planet are you from!!!!
I am not talking cars....once again for you.....just you! 'STOCK ENGINE V PERFORMANCE ENGINE' Got that

[howesy]

Hey guys, I was ridiculed earlier for a statement suggesting published material about sub 6 second 0-100 and quarters between high 13 to low 14.

welll i did post back no less than 2 times but mysteriously the posts have not made it up. Must be a glitch in the system because there was no derogatory remarks pointed to anyone and no rudeness or swearing so no reason to moderate but never the less they both disappeared.

If you want the links to the articles and dont mind admitting your wrong then send me a PM and I will gladly seny you the red book article and autoweb article both giving 5.97 and 5.90 sec 0-100 and 14.3 sec quarter most articles have disappeared these days as they are now old.

[Mick1]

Hey guys, I was ridiculed earlier for a statement suggesting published material about sub 6 second 0-100 and quarters between high 13 to low 14.

welll i did post back no less than 2 times but mysteriously the posts have not made it up. Must be a glitch in the system because there was no derogatory remarks pointed to anyone and no rudeness or swearing so no reason to moderate but never the less they both disappeared.

If you want the links to the articles and dont mind admitting your wrong then send me a PM and I will gladly seny you the red book article and autoweb article both giving 5.97 and 5.90 sec 0-100 and 14.3 sec quarter most articles have disappeared these days as they are now old.

Post the links, don't be shy, you won't be deleted.. We're watchin!

[Mick1]

So you thick pricks would say that if GM bought out a 2013 Vette or HSV a car with a n/a LS3 motor producing say 650fwhp that it's a standard motor. ffs get real

Damn it, now there you go again!

[Plenty]

Hey guys, I was ridiculed earlier for a statement suggesting published material about sub 6 second 0-100 and quarters between high 13 to low 14.

welll i did post back no less than 2 times but mysteriously the posts have not made it up. Must be a glitch in the system because there was no derogatory remarks pointed to anyone and no rudeness or swearing so no reason to moderate but never the less they both disappeared.

If you want the links to the articles and dont mind admitting your wrong then send me a PM and I will gladly seny you the red book article and autoweb article both giving 5.97 and 5.90 sec 0-100 and 14.3 sec quarter most articles have disappeared these days as they are now old.

I saw them and also replied to them, they were both Claims made by Ford not actual independent test achieved times, like i said in my earlier post, HSV claimed the E1 could do 4.9sec 0-100km/h and even offered a bottle of champers to the lucky media man that could manage to match it....... guess what? The champagne is still on ice.
Manufacturers claims mean jack shite!

I'll stand by my Bullshite claim of a stock T3 running that time. The only test i managed to find on managed a mid 6 and mid 14, right up there with a 2012 SV6

[Jamolad]

So could we say HSV and FPV put stock performance engines in their cars?

[howesy]

I saw them and also replied to them, they were both Claims made by Ford not actual independent test achieved times, like i said in my earlier post, HSV claimed the E1 could do 4.9sec 0-100km/h and even offered a bottle of champers to the lucky media man that could manage to match it....... guess what? The champagne is still on ice.
Manufacturers claims mean jack shite!



I'll stand by my Bullshite claim of a stock T3 running that time. The only test i managed to find on managed a mid 6 and mid 14, right up there with a 2012 SV6

well now your comparing cars made in 2002 to ones made in 2012 how laughable is that.
what ever you reckon at the end of the day numbers mean jack shite as you say the real world is what counts and my 2011 SS even through all the advancement is not as punchy and in 2002 when it was on the street brand new there was not one as it left the factory car ford or holden that could beat the sucker in a run, XR8's, GT's HSV's all got the shock of their life. see I've got the benefit of having owned and driven both so can talk from experience any one else is really talking shite as you put it. forget the numbers its the performance that matters and for its day 2002 not 2012 or any other fantasy date you have in mind it was up there with the best.

[csv rulz]

Im not going to get in an argument with it as iv got better things to do with my day, but my view is:

Sold by a car manufacturer = stock

[howesy]

maybe go on youtube as well and see the many low 13 runs and pretty good 60 foot times as well from stock TE50's you can find it through LOL

[VZ_V8]

So let me see if I understand this. By your reasoning a Veyron W16 quad turbo engine which produces over 1000hp is stock as there is no derivative of it in another car in a lesser guise. Therefore there is no other "standard" version of that motor.

Yet the engine in a VY SS is identical to the engine in a VY clubsport with the only difference in power coming from external factors (tune, exhaust) yet that engine is no longer stock?

[FOON]

So you thick pricks would say that if GM bought out a 2013 Vette or HSV a car with a n/a LS3 motor producing say 650fwhp that it's a standard motor. ffs get real

Have you noticed that YOU are the ONLY one against the factory stock term, and who's the thick prick