Supercharged HSV this year?....I say yes.

[planetdavo]

Oh how I've missed some of the stuff on this forum...
ANY CAR is worth whatever the person actually BUYING one feels it is worth. They don't have to justify it to internet legends.
Personally, I also have no "insider knowledge" on the topic Pickles started. But, I do agree that HSV for sure have been keeping their options open. They know perfectly well what the GM Powertrain closet contains, but, contrary to the thoughts of many an internet commentator, they are a successful business that only does what it NEEDS to do to be successful. As soon as a business starts caving in to the demands of people that often aren't even going to buy said car, they might as well shut the doors and find something else to do.
I believe they will release an LSA powered car as a limited run leading up to VF, based purely on how I believe they run their business.

[planetdavo]

you know whats really simple to understand...if you have to pay 40-50 THOUSAND $ more on a performance car...when the oposition builds virtually the same or similiar proven product...then your either a MASSIVE diehard to that brand(read stupid with your money) or your really stupid with your money.
i think Hsv will have a quad turbo 2ltre lpg grange by the end of the year.....just my opinion...smacks forehead....but its a great buisness case

Well, a supercharged 5.0 versus a supercharged 6.2...
The usual suspects have YET AGAIN dragged this into an HSV vs FPV smackdown. How about we wait until the red team possibly releases said car hey fellas, before "comparing" them...to avoid certain people looking like Ford trolls and all...

[WHITER8UTE]

To late for me couldnt wait any longer brought new gt 335 today to replace my twin turbo ve r8 maloo couldnt wait any longer been hard thing to do change sides.

[macca_779]

The LSA has been out for years Davo. We know what its capable of. Tuned Miami vs tuned LSA there isn't much in it seeing what the yanks get out of them with no mods. The 5.0 while obviously smaller is a very efficient core engine so it's not as simple as bigger is better. One advantage the LSA has is it's intercooled from factory where the Miami isn't.

But yes let's just wait and see what HSV does. I do think the LSA is a stronger base engine. But then it's no ls9 either and the smaller blower will hold it back at some point whereas the 1.9 on the smaller ford effectively has more headroom. But again we shall see. Exciting times ahead.


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[Pickles]

G'Day Davo.
Yeah, I don't care about the "opposition" either....it was NOT why I created this thread....it was simply about whether HSV will, or will not, release a S/C engine this year...that's all.
I remain confident that........they will.
Cheers, Pickles.

[BEARWOOD]

Oh how I've missed some of the stuff on this forum...
ANY CAR is worth whatever the person actually BUYING one feels it is worth. They don't have to justify it to internet legends.
Personally, I also have no "insider knowledge" on the topic Pickles started. But, I do agree that HSV for sure have been keeping their options open. They know perfectly well what the GM Powertrain closet contains, but, contrary to the thoughts of many an internet commentator, they are a successful business that only does what it NEEDS to do to be successful. As soon as a business starts caving in to the demands of people that often aren't even going to buy said car, they might as well shut the doors and find something else to do.
I believe they will release an LSA powered car as a limited run leading up to VF, based purely on how I believe they run their business.

I find it a little strange how you often refer to other people on the forum as such things as "internet legends" or "internet commentators" when you are doing the exact same thing but just have a different opinion. You come on here and type words the same as others so maybe consider that before you try and elevate yourself above an internet hero. Not having a go, just an observation.

I agree with what you say in regards to a company only doing what they need to and nothing more, most people just want more for nothing.

[steve_t]

The LSA has been out for years Davo. We know what its capable of. Tuned Miami vs tuned LSA there isn't much in it seeing what the yanks get out of them with no mods. The 5.0 while obviously smaller is a very efficient core engine so it's not as simple as bigger is better. One advantage the LSA has is it's intercooled from factory where the Miami isn't.

But yes let's just wait and see what HSV does. I do think the LSA is a stronger base engine. But then it's no ls9 either and the smaller blower will hold it back at some point whereas the 1.9 on the smaller ford effectively has more headroom. But again we shall see. Exciting times ahead.

Good point. HSV releases an LSA powered special edition and then FPV fits a 2.3 and an intercooler from factory...

[macca_779]

Good point. HSV releases an LSA powered special edition and then FPV fits a 2.3 and an intercooler from factory...

They won't fit a 2.3l. No way that's going to happen. Cooler possibly. Letting the rains off a bit in the tune, likely and there is plenty left to let loose.


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[planetdavo]

The LSA has been out for years Davo. We know what its capable of. Tuned Miami vs tuned LSA there isn't much in it seeing what the yanks get out of them with no mods. The 5.0 while obviously smaller is a very efficient core engine so it's not as simple as bigger is better. One advantage the LSA has is it's intercooled from factory where the Miami isn't.

But yes let's just wait and see what HSV does. I do think the LSA is a stronger base engine. But then it's no ls9 either and the smaller blower will hold it back at some point whereas the 1.9 on the smaller ford effectively has more headroom. But again we shall see. Exciting times ahead.


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I don't believe I ever mentioned that dirty word "tuned" fella...I was simply responding to someone obvious that claimed he doesn't know why anyone would bother spending the extra on a possible FACTORY LSA HSV when Ford has the s/c 5.0. "Tuned" wasn't ever mentioned. Start talking modded cars and the limit really is your budget...

[planetdavo]

I find it a little strange how you often refer to other people on the forum as such things as "internet legends" or "internet commentators" when you are doing the exact same thing but just have a different opinion. You come on here and type words the same as others so maybe consider that before you try and elevate yourself above an internet hero. Not having a go, just an observation.

Perhaps you'd be happier if I substitute those terms with "Ford trolls on a Holden forum". Does that make it easier to digest?

[macca_779]

I don't believe I ever mentioned that dirty word "tuned" fella...I was simply responding to someone obvious that claimed he doesn't know why anyone would bother spending the extra on a possible FACTORY LSA HSV when Ford has the s/c 5.0. "Tuned" wasn't ever mentioned. Start talking modded cars and the limit really is your budget...

Tuned a dirty word. Wash your mouth out. If you had half an idea what some of the calibrations look like that came from OEM you wouldn't be so negative.

The point wasn't that they are tuned or not. Just what they are capable of should the manufacturer allow them to produce more.


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[Martin_D]

G'Day Davo.
Yeah, I don't care about the "opposition" either....it was NOT why I created this thread....it was simply about whether HSV will, or will not, release a S/C engine this year...that's all. I remain confident that........they will.
Cheers, Pickles.

The opposition for you Pickles is Audi, dont you watch DTM?

FACT: Mate of mine just picked up a brand new GS Ute Supercharged 5.0 with 800 demo km on it for $42K drive away.
So its under $50K easy for the factory blown Aussie experience these days, I wonder how many will stump up 3 x Times that purported for a supercharged HSV?
I wonder if the same handful of people that popped $150K+ on a W427 in the pre-GFC days still exist now?
HSV will be wondering the very same thing....make it GTS with a tickbox cost engine option....or roll the dice on making $100K profit per car but selling less than 20/30....

All interesting questions, but does a depressed 2012, and more highly taxed than in any time in history, business sector now have the spare cash to throw at a one-trick pipe dream or does reality bite?

[Spoolin]

I guess the point was whether HSV will plant a FI motor into a HSV shell, it's fair to say it is possible. If you are talking with your heart, the of course you'll want it to happen a one eyed support would want their team to be at the front.

In my opinion, those who want it to happen versus those who can afford it are two vastly different markets, those that want it are generaly speaking for the secondhand market. I've criticised it's viabilty in the market at the price point that has been mentioned, it's pushing the car into another market that is well and truly beyond what HSV can produce at the moment and lets face fact, it only has some badge cred in middle class Australia and 100k+ taxi whether it be from Fraud or Holden is nothing but a joke.

At the end of the day, it's up to the accountants. If the numbers don't stack up it wont happen.

BTW, if you don't consider red and blue competitors...you're an idiot!

[zorro]

The opposition for you Pickles is Audi, dont you watch DTM?

FACT: Mate of mine just picked up a brand new GS Ute Supercharged 5.0 with 800 demo km on it for $42K drive away.
So its under $50K easy for the factory blown Aussie experience these days, I wonder how many will stump up 3 x Times that purported for a supercharged HSV?
I wonder if the same handful of people that popped $150K+ on a W427 in the pre-GFC days still exist now?
HSV will be wondering the very same thing....make it GTS with a tickbox cost engine option....or roll the dice on making $100K profit per car but selling less than 20/30....

All interesting questions, but does a depressed 2012, and more highly taxed than in any time in history, business sector now have the spare cash to throw at a one-trick pipe dream or does reality bite?

From my daily commute across Melbourne I see quite a lot of high end euros, not debadged 318s or c250s, Lambos/Porsche/Fezzas etc an not to mention the ever common c63

I think the money is there just open to looking elsewhere to spend their hard earned

[Martin_D]

From my daily commute across Melbourne I see quite a lot of high end euros, not debadged 318s or c250s, Lambos/Porsche/Fezzas etc an not to mention the ever common c63
I think the money is there just open to looking elsewhere to spend their hard earned

Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo owners rarely spend any of their $500K+ car allowance on HSVs.
Fact is a long time back your HSV dollar bought a car that was as fast and performed as well as anything in the price segment, so it made sense. Then they went and priced one the same as GTR, M3, and C63.....all of a sudden it wasnt very good value for money as it pretty much didnt do anything as good as similarly priced cars, so other than the HSV tragics, nobody bought it. Will it happen again?