Supercharged HSV this year?....I say yes.

[whitels1ss]

Because we want to be paid three times as much as anyone else in the world, and work half as long for it

No, I reckon the third world countries are paying beans and peanuts, that's why we cannot compete on price with them,
that is also why all the call centres are now overseas,
there are plenty of civilised countries paying same or more than Australia.
Hey if they dropped the pay rate to one third it is now everyone would suffer, even your good self,
how could you charge the same prices in your workshop if all your customers scored such a massive pay drop?

[planetdavo]

I still would not be shocked if HSV brought one out to answer FPV, seems a few companies are bringing out supercharged or turbocharged engines these days.
Yes I like the N.A. big old engines but I think it is the direction that the market is going.
Hey, but that is only my guess or opinion and I have been known to be wrong many times in the past.

If Ford had had a suitable N.A engine on the books to compete, do you really believe that getting Prodrive/Harrop to do this variant of the engine would have ever happened???
All this turbocharged onslaught is mostly about gaining economy due to tightening regulations around parts of the world. If outright power is improved then it is a bonus, but gaining economy DEFINITELY wasn't the reason the FPV motor was developed! It was only developed because the N.A 5.0 base motor wasn't remotely close enough to the HSV competition, when put in a heavy Falcon body, to get the car onto more people's radars than the old 5.4 Boss motor ever did.

[whitels1ss]

If Ford had had a suitable N.A engine on the books to compete, do you really believe that getting Prodrive/Harrop to do this variant of the engine would have ever happened???
All this turbocharged onslaught is mostly about gaining economy due to tightening regulations around parts of the world. If outright power is improved then it is a bonus, but gaining economy DEFINITELY wasn't the reason the FPV motor was developed! It was only developed because the N.A 5.0 base motor wasn't remotely close enough to the HSV competition, when put in a heavy Falcon body, to get the car onto more people's radars than the old 5.4 Boss motor ever did.

I don't agree with you there David, I reckon the politics, fuel economy and the "Green" aspect plays a fair part.

[planetdavo]

I liken the whole pay question to a dog chasing it's tail.
Everybody wants more money in a greedy capitalist society, yet the more you want, the more you need just to stay about where you started...
If every country doesn't play by the same rule book then you are f#cked, even if you THINK you've had a win. You WILL end up shooting either yourself or your kids in the foot, even if the bank balance looks ok at the moment.

[whitels1ss]

I liken the whole pay question to a dog chasing it's tail.
Everybody wants more money in a greedy capitalist society, yet the more you want, the more you need just to stay about where you started...
If every country doesn't play by the same rule book then you are f#cked, even if you THINK you've had a win. You WILL end up shooting either yourself or your kids in the foot, even if the bank balance looks ok at the moment.

Agreed 100%

[planetdavo]

I don't agree with you there David, I reckon the politics, fuel economy and the "Green" aspect plays a fair part.

Falcon was stuffed in this country before this engine came out. Just no one wanted to say it. The "green" aspect would have stopped ANY V8 in the range in this country. No government handouts would have "officially" gone to this engine. Green money is for ecoboost type projects.
The 5 litre wasn't up to the task, so they had to spend a mint modifying the base they had.
I reckon in a perfect world they would have dropped the V8 all together once Boss 5.4 couldn't pass the emissions upgrade, and just kept the turbo 6. Way cheaper from an engineering perspective, and just about as quick.

[Martin_D]

Commodore and Falcon are both stuffed.
Dear Julia and man-marrying Bobby Brown made both Ford and Holden sign on the dotted line to kill them both before handing over our money
In effect you and I have paid Holden to kill the Commodore.
Thats the way it is. Suck it up and understand your next new car will more than likely be something else.

[whitels1ss]

Falcon was stuffed in this country before this engine came out. Just no one wanted to say it. The "green" aspect would have stopped ANY V8 in the range in this country. No government handouts would have "officially" gone to this engine. Green money is for ecoboost type projects.
The 5 litre wasn't up to the task, so they had to spend a mint modifying the base they had.
I reckon in a perfect world they would have dropped the V8 all together once Boss 5.4 couldn't pass the emissions upgrade, and just kept the turbo 6. Way cheaper from an engineering perspective, and just about as quick.

David, I respect your opinion but I do not agree, at the end of the day it does not matter because people will always have differing opinions.
Hey I have been known to be wrong many times before and I am sure so have you.
Have a nice weekend buddy.

[whitels1ss]

Commodore and Falcon are both stuffed.
Dear Julia and man-marrying Bobby Brown made both Ford and Holden sign on the dotted line to kill them both before handing over our money
In effect you and I have paid Holden to kill the Commodore.
Thats the way it is. Suck it up and understand your next new car will more than likely be something else.

Sad but true Martin

[Pickles]

And that motor would be part of an expensive package. There is more to a car for most buyers than just a motor. I guess that's why HSV still sell a lot more of their cars than FPV does, even with that amazing, HSV "smashing" motor...
Like I said way back, I expect to see this car released with an LSA, and it will sell, even if the online peanut gallery poo poo's it. Internet forum opinions are like an @rsehole...everybody's got one, and they are more often than not rather negative.

Agree 100%....Of course there's more to a car than the engine. Really makes me laugh, the Ford "fanboys" saying the GT is a better car, because it MAY be slightly faster, in some circumstances...namely, in a straight line....that "advantage" very quickly turns to a "disadvantage" in ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE....unless you choose to disregard EVERY Aussie motoring journo. Of course the engine's good, we all know that....but the HSV's the better car. I mean, if HSV stuff a puffer on a Clubsport...it now makes 400+ RWHP...Does that make it a BETTER car?.....I don't think so.
In addition, as the O.P....I don't see this car as being a mainstream car.....it'll be expensive, & limited numbers.
The LS3 is a fine engine...it has served HSV well.....and it will be replaced.....as better engines become available......not, at the moment anyway, because of any perceived superiority of the opposition.....who, if ya wanna look at the facts, are still being creamed.
I still say it's coming....Pickles.

[planetdavo]

Commodore and Falcon are both stuffed.
Dear Julia and man-marrying Bobby Brown made both Ford and Holden sign on the dotted line to kill them both before handing over our money
In effect you and I have paid Holden to kill the Commodore.
Thats the way it is. Suck it up and understand your next new car will more than likely be something else.

The large car sales slide was on a roll waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the election that gave Bob Brown the power to be difficult.
It is very wrong to blame them for what people want to buy these days. We are witnessing generational change in buying habits, NOT politicians pulling your strings.

[Martin_D]

Now that the carbon tax which we were promised never to have will push petrol over $2 a litre (thanks!) the Commodore is a relic of the past. Dont the man-marrying Greenies love that! So, with that in mind whats everyone going to do for their performance fix?

[planetdavo]

Now that the carbon tax which we were promised never to have will push petrol over $2 a litre (thanks!) the Commodore is a relic of the past. Dont the man-marrying Greenies love that! So, with that in mind whats everyone going to do for their performance fix?

We're all going to drive hybrid rickshaws, because with the greenies having all the power, that's all that will be available in this country...

[Martin_D]

We're all going to drive hybrid rickshaws, because with the greenies having all the power, that's all that will be available in this country...

Well....we DID vote the freaks in....
Thanks

The grand plan for our government will be to have the Elizabeth plant assembling knocked down imported Daewoos, as it mainly does now.

[VYSHSV8]

Your spot on Luke, no pedigree what so ever. Any comparison to GTHO or any car of the era is ridiculous. And, like I mentioned, I love the W and HSV.

And, your argument is very valid as you are a true enthusiast with a wealth of automotive knowledge who is not blinded by dumbfounding loyalty.

So George when ya gonna bring your car over for me to have some fun