Dear Holden, I'm not happy.....

[the big fist]

[QUOTE=V8_Power;2037277]

What about jacks supplied for japanese commercial vehicles - they look like little hydraulic jacks but are actually mechanical.
Yes slow to wind up down - need bar and handle - yes two more things to loose but they work.

My mum's holden belmont had one of these when i was a kid. at lest the damn thing worked. Anyone remember the HJ kingswood jack that used to attach to the slots in the front and rear bumper bars? looked like one of those suckers u see 4x4 guys using these days!

I got one of those with my Valiant ! Great little jack.

[BEARWOOD]

Ye the jack is shit and so is the missing glovebox light and so is the interior plastics and so is the cheap feeling leather and so is the placement of the centre cupholders (manuals) and so is the missing boot lid liner and the list could probably go on depending who you are but seriously is it that big of a deal?
Once they fix the jack there will be something else thats not to some peoples standards but maybe these are some things you need to take into consideration when buying a car if its a big enough problem or negotiate an extra $50 off so you can go and buy something that suits you.

Not singling anyone out but in general theres alot of whinging and bagging Holden on here these days and it's sad and boring and to be honest i don't really know what the point of the thread is???

[V8_Power]

Ye the jack is shit and so is the missing glovebox light and so is the interior plastics and so is the cheap feeling leather and so is the placement of the centre cupholders (manuals) and so is the missing boot lid liner and the list could probably go on depending who you are but seriously is it that big of a deal?
Once they fix the jack there will be something else thats not to some peoples standards but maybe these are some things you need to take into consideration when buying a car if its a big enough problem or negotiate an extra $50 off so you can go and buy something that suits you.

Not singling anyone out but in general theres alot of whinging and bagging Holden on here these days and it's sad and boring and to be honest i don't really know what the point of the thread is???

When you get down off that high horse of yours, you might realise that a jack is a device that is required to change a tyre, something that has been around since the dawn of motor cars. I don't see any whinging about missing boot linings or glove box lights. It's a bloody jack and it should work without failing when you are in a bind.

[VYBerlinaV8]

The Commo is a large, well featured vehicle at a cheap price. It is entirely normal to expect cost cutting measures to be apparent.

[BEARWOOD]

[QUOTE=V8_Power;2037317]When you get down off that high horse of yours, you might realise that a jack is a device that is required to change a tyre, something that has been around since the dawn of motor cars. I don't see any whinging about missing boot linings or glove box lights. It's a bloody jack and it should work without failing when you are in a bind.[/QUOTE

Well aren't you captain obvious.

If it's such a problem why have they been in the VE for 6 years now, obviously the failure rate is less in the real world than it is on an internet forum.
Haven't you noticed the world around you changing over the years and the quality of just about everything is controlled by a budget of some sort.
Like i said, if it's such an issue do something about it because complaining here won't change anything.
The jack failing and not working at all is completly different to it being a dodgy poor design that gets you out of trouble on that very rare occasion you need it.

[planetdavo]

Careful Bearwood, you are seriously at risk of being as "popular" with the peanut gallery as I am, for doing the unthinkable of using logic!
People love to blame someone else for nearly everything that happens these days, and often (in this car example) totally fail to grasp the concept of cost-cutting for all affordable mainstream cars. What can REALISTICALLY be expected for Holden RRP's, rather than pie in the sky fantasies?
Continuing on from what I said earlier about the vast majority of people having no idea what sort of spare or otherwise is in their boot, and hardly anyone bothers changing their flat tyre themselves anymore, we have exhibit...
a- How many people have read their owners manual on the correct procedure to change the tyre upon purchasing the car, or is everyone a limp excuse of a man for doing so- so the first time you exhibit your manly DIY "skills" is doing so on the side of the road, maybe in the dark, maybe in the rain, maybe on uneven dirt, maybe late for a root, or whatever?
b- How many VE's have had flat tyres, with the owner suffering none of the horrendous knuckle carving as described in this thread?
c- How many of the people changing their spares have shredded their knuckles because they were angry and p!ssed off with the world for getting their first flat tyre in the last 10 years?
d- How many with shredded hands were from people simply trying to rush the job?
e- Why do none of the above types blame the tyre manufacturer for making a sub-standard product prone to puncturing? Sh!t, surely if we can send people into space then puncture proof tyres should be a piece of p!ss right!
And finally...
f- Why do people sook to like-minded internet types, rather than putting their name forward to the manufacturer and making their anger known to those that build the damn cars to begin with?!!!

[SSer]

Careful Bearwood, you are seriously at risk of being as "popular" with the peanut gallery as I am, for doing the unthinkable of using logic!
People love to blame someone else for nearly everything that happens these days, and often (in this car example) totally fail to grasp the concept of cost-cutting for all affordable mainstream cars. What can REALISTICALLY be expected for Holden RRP's, rather than pie in the sky fantasies?
Continuing on from what I said earlier about the vast majority of people having no idea what sort of spare or otherwise is in their boot, and hardly anyone bothers changing their flat tyre themselves anymore, we have exhibit...
a- How many people have read their owners manual on the correct procedure to change the tyre upon purchasing the car, or is everyone a limp excuse of a man for doing so- so the first time you exhibit your manly DIY "skills" is doing so on the side of the road, maybe in the dark, maybe in the rain, maybe on uneven dirt, maybe late for a root, or whatever?
b- How many VE's have had flat tyres, with the owner suffering none of the horrendous knuckle carving as described in this thread?
c- How many of the people changing their spares have shredded their knuckles because they were angry and p!ssed off with the world for getting their first flat tyre in the last 10 years?
d- How many with shredded hands were from people simply trying to rush the job?
e- Why do none of the above types blame the tyre manufacturer for making a sub-standard product prone to puncturing? Sh!t, surely if we can send people into space then puncture proof tyres should be a piece of p!ss right!
And finally...
f- Why do people sook to like-minded internet types, rather than putting their name forward to the manufacturer and making their anger known to those that build the damn cars to begin with?!!!

More random garbage...

[planetdavo]

More random garbage...

Cheers!

Some more "random garbage" for you.

Opinions are like @rseholes- everybody's got one.

[Xjas]

If it's such a problem why have they been in the VE for 6 years now, obviously the failure rate is less in the real world than it is on an internet forum.
Haven't you noticed the world around you changing over the years and the quality of just about everything is controlled by a budget of some sort.
Like i said, if it's such an issue do something about it because complaining here won't change anything.
The jack failing and not working at all is completly different to it being a dodgy poor design that gets you out of trouble on that very rare occasion you need it.

I thought the point of the thread was that it was a poor design resulting in smashed knuckles rather than an actual failure. Cost cutting is an excuse for poor (or perhaps lower) build quality but its no excuse for a poor design to begin with, I think the most likely reason for a poor design would be that GMs best and brightest engineers are doing things more important that designing jacks.

[SSer]

Cheers!

Some more "random garbage" for you.

Opinions are like @rseholes- everybody's got one.

Lets look at a few things will we? You seem hell bent on quoting random figures, and what can only be assumed to be narrow minded guesses. Do you have any official figures on any of your points? Hell even unofficial research? Im fairly sure I would struggle to find someone out this way who point blank couldnt evem attempt to change a tyre, or had little to no idea at least how to go about it.

As someone who is pseudo representing a company, you are definitely not doing a good job. Your close minded views dont really add anything at all. A quick search through your posts reveals that 86.45% of your posts are just plain pointless, other than playing devils advocate. I think the only solid point you have made so far is that anyone really concerned about it should contact Holden directly. Its a good point, but have you talked to your local dealer lately? Mine couldnt give a stuff about anything I say beyond asking "cheque, savings or credit". I could call a hotline, but why should I need to?

As for why we care so much, its because if we dont make points like this, then where does it end? I think from the posts supporting the fact that the jack is shit far outweigh you and one other. Sure the jack is now shit, and theres no globe in the glove box. But where does the cost cutting end?

[VoodooSS]

Can't believe I am about to subscribe to a thread about feckin jacks!

[planetdavo]

I thought the point of the thread was that it was a poor design resulting in smashed knuckles rather than an actual failure. Cost cutting is an excuse for poor (or perhaps lower) build quality but its no excuse for a poor design to begin with, I think the most likely reason for a poor design would be that GMs best and brightest engineers are doing things more important that designing jacks.

Quite possibly, but at the end of the day you will never make everyone happy. 99% of people could be happy with how it works as intended, but you will always hear from the 1% that have an issue, whether it's the manufacturers fault or it's the way the operator is incorrectly using something. Those not complaining usually just get on with their lives...

[VoodooSS]

Quite possibly, but at the end of the day you will never make everyone happy. 99% of people could be happy with how it works as intended, but you will always hear from the 1% that have an issue, whether it's the manufacturers fault or it's the way the operator is incorrectly using something. Those not complaining usually just get on with their lives...

I seriously doubt 99% of people are happy how the jack works...well those that have had a flat before anyway

[planetdavo]

Lets look at a few things will we? You seem hell bent on quoting random figures, and what can only be assumed to be narrow minded guesses. Do you have any official figures on any of your points? Hell even unofficial research? Im fairly sure I would struggle to find someone out this way who point blank couldnt evem attempt to change a tyre, or had little to no idea at least how to go about it.

As someone who is pseudo representing a company, you are definitely not doing a good job. Your close minded views dont really add anything at all. A quick search through your posts reveals that 86.45% of your posts are just plain pointless, other than playing devils advocate. I think the only solid point you have made so far is that anyone really concerned about it should contact Holden directly. Its a good point, but have you talked to your local dealer lately? Mine couldnt give a stuff about anything I say beyond asking "cheque, savings or credit". I could call a hotline, but why should I need to?

As for why we care so much, its because if we dont make points like this, then where does it end? I think from the posts supporting the fact that the jack is shit far outweigh you and one other. Sure the jack is now shit, and theres no globe in the glove box. But where does the cost cutting end?

If it's so important you wont sleep tonight, how about you ring every motoring organisation in the country and ask them how many flats they fix on cars with perfectly functional spares and jacks...
I've probably got much better things to do tonight...like sleeping.
PS: MY 2011 VE has a glovebox light.

[planetdavo]

I seriously doubt 99% of people are happy how the jack works...well those that have had a flat before anyway

Quite possibly, but then, if you believed that minority internet forums represented the majority of the car buying community, you'd probably believe that 99% of Holden enthusiasts hate everything about Holden's!
Why are "enthusiasts" such a bunch of sad sacks sometimes? Nothing better to do in life than hate something?