More petrol rip offs, this time E85.

[duke5700]

It is supposed to be derogatory.. glad you picked that up.

Please explain to me and make it simple how anyone of any of these posts have achieved anything? anything at all? At the very least my remarks have made him write a letter and at least think about what he could do to get one over me.

Much the same as what you wrote if you don't like it you can also leave. I'm pointing out a simple observation. All you ever see is people crying about something these days and doing nought to solve it. Why whinge? Oh I bought a V8 car that weighs 2 tonnes and it uses lots of fuel and fuel is expensive.. well derrrrr. It is along the same line, any person who sells a good retains the right to sell it for whatever they want obviously without collusion.. good luck proving. The rich don't get rich because they are generous.

Glad you like my speeling.

I'm actually from the Riverina, Wagga Wagga. Did my apprenticeship there as a electrician.

Depending on where you are in the Riverina, I know you can get the eFlex locally there in drums and there is talk of it coming to one of the Caltex's in Wagga.

As for this rousing argument, I'll check back in about a month this time and see if anything more has been done.

Duke5700,

Having been away from these forums for a few years I haven't come across you as yet, I see you have been a member here for a few years, what is the PURPOSE of a FORUM? Are you aware?

I'll help:
Forum's (this one and the other gazillion) are for people to VENT their frustrations and SEEK information and assistance, so, why don't you jump of your little pony, and if you have nothing to add that will improve and/or assist the discussion then you simply leave it alone? Or, are you here to stroke your precious little ego?
I find EVERY comment you have made here to be completely derogatory and in no way is it assisting your fellow member's, If you don't like the "whinging" it's pretty simple son, you should F%$# OFF! (Or just go back to your little insignificant public service position where YOUR opinion counts as much as the cleaner whom removes those GT stripes from the bowl)

Whilst I somewhat agree with your proposal (if the MASSESS did it, still nothing would change - Collusion IS Happening and ALWAYS HAS HAPPENED, I very clearly remember calls from "area Managers" to jack the price up because X company was about to do the same three suburbs away - and that was over 15 years ago), the manner in which you attempt to communicate leaves ALOT to be desired, maybe you need a lesson in manners? I would also suggest that whilst you are prancing around on your little high horse that you go back to school, and learn how to SPELL.

Now to the topic before some egotistical condescending muppet made it personal against Sled.

No E85 available out here where I live, (I wasn't even aware it was widely available around the country! -sad, lol) and I pay a minimum of $1.64 for PULP here, but your figures do highlight the inconsistencies in the fluctuations, "IF" the reasons OPEC and Fuel companies gave us where actually true, the jumps and lulls in price would be much smaller, gradual and would be even across the range of available products, not wildly jumping 20c overnight...and... if the Government was serious about its "green" credentials, then the price of things such as E85 would be cheap as nails to encourage a greener footprint across our motoring public..

oops, sorry Duke, I should write a letter to someone that will never see it, let alone give a rats arse, or I could save the money from a stamp and envelope and keep paying for petrol! lol..

[02PRUV]

So you all know the truth, the government know about the price of ethanol fuel already. The reason that ethanol fuel price increases with the price of petroleum is it was a deal they did to keep it 20c a litre under the price of unleaded. This way when oil prices increase, E85 increases and they still make profits on the fuel excise on E85. Big revenue from fuel. They did it to LPG as well. If you want to read more you can go here:
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257727001EA61D

Maybe if more people worked harder and stopped drinking and socialising so much the government wouldn't need so much revenue from fuel to pay the dole

Oh and Eflex is always 72-85% and 72% ethanol is 105 octane and 85% is 106 octane. At these ethanol levels power difference is next to no difference and the AFR ratio difference is only 0.5 of a point. So if you target 12:1 AFR on 72% and you put 85% in the tank it will run 12.5:1 AFR's. With the higher octane of the fuel and the cooling effect of it if your cars not tuned on the limit of the fuel like a race car the ethanol content change isn't going to harm. And you still have near as damn it the same octane rating.

[HSVREDSLED]

So you all know the truth, the government know about the price of ethanol fuel already. The reason that ethanol fuel price increases with the price of petroleum is it was a deal they did to keep it 20c a litre under the price of unleaded. This way when oil prices increase, E85 increases and they still make profits on the fuel excise on E85. Big revenue from fuel. They did it to LPG as well. If you want to read more you can go here:
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257727001EA61D

Maybe if more people worked harder and stopped drinking and socialising so much the government wouldn't need so much revenue from fuel to pay the dole

Oh and Eflex is always 72-85% and 72% ethanol is 105 octane and 85% is 106 octane. At these ethanol levels power difference is next to no difference and the AFR ratio difference is only 0.5 of a point. So if you target 12:1 AFR on 72% and you put 85% in the tank it will run 12.5:1 AFR's. With the higher octane of the fuel and the cooling effect of it if your cars not tuned on the limit of the fuel like a race car the ethanol content change isn't going to harm. And you still have near as damn it the same octane rating.

Buy this man a damn big Cigar...thank you!

You see, the reason ( I think) forums exist, is so that we can collectively discuss a wide variety of issues and find out truths (hopefully) with no malice or judgement. The amount of non automotive knowledge and I have gained, (and hopefully assisted others with) though the blue screen has been astounding. I have travelled extensively throughout the USA armed with knowledge and experience I have gained on here and (hopefully) I have been able to pass on some as well.

I asked a genuine question on here and it took until the post from 02PRUV to clear it up...thank you. The rest...well, read as you will and make your own mind up. The internet/forum is not about (attempts) to knock people down. Its about helping each other and sharing information. Take a chill pill Duke...lifes too short.

[brasher]

Oh and Eflex is always 72-85% and 72% ethanol is 105 octane and 85% is 106 octane. At these ethanol levels power difference is next to no difference and the AFR ratio difference is only 0.5 of a point. So if you target 12:1 AFR on 72% and you put 85% in the tank it will run 12.5:1 AFR's. With the higher octane of the fuel and the cooling effect of it if your cars not tuned on the limit of the fuel like a race car the ethanol content change isn't going to harm. And you still have near as damn it the same octane rating.

Give that man a new! Someone with a clue!

[GM Slave]

Much the same as what you wrote if you don't like it you can also leave. I'm pointing out a simple observation. All you ever see is people crying about something these days and doing nought to solve it. Why whinge? Oh I bought a V8 car that weighs 2 tonnes and it uses lots of fuel and fuel is expensive.. well derrrrr. It is along the same line, any person who sells a good retains the right to sell it for whatever they want obviously without collusion.. good luck proving. The rich don't get rich because they are generous.

Glad you like my speeling.

I'm actually from the Riverina, Wagga Wagga. Did my apprenticeship there as a electrician.

Geez Duke 5700, here I was thinking you were just trolling, but now that we know you are from Wagga it all suddenly make sense.

HSVREDSLED, I agree with your original post and find this definately a topic worthy of a considered discussion.

[dogsballs]

there is a big difference in caltex eflex and united e85, in melbourne. once more united's opened down here we changed to e85, had to upgrade fuel pump and injectors.

[D_BLOCK]

So anyway now all the E-drama has concluded.
I finally found a stockist here in Toowoomba that has E85 and they sell it by the litre and by the 44Gal.It appears its true 85 used by various
motor sport teams.It would want to be good at $500+ for a 44 Gal drum.I cant understand why the servos out here aren't using it?

[HSVREDSLED]

So anyway now all the E-drama has concluded.
I finally found a stockist here in Toowoomba that has E85 and they sell it by the litre and by the 44Gal.It appears its true 85 used by various
motor sport teams.It would want to be good at $500+ for a 44 Gal drum.I cant understand why the servos out here aren't using it?

44 gallon = 166 litres. 166 litres X 1.28 a litre = $212.48. At $500 a 44 gal...you are getting seriously screwed.

[VYSHSV8]

44 gallon = basically 200ltrs not 166
4.5 Ltrs to a gallon not 4 which still equates to 178ltrs

iPhone in the middle of Farkin no-where

[VH-COM]

44 gallon = basically 200ltrs not 166
4.5 Ltrs to a gallon not 4 which still equates to 178ltrs

iPhone in the middle of Farkin no-where

Beat me ..... That's what I was just typing.....44 UK Gallons = 200.2 L

166 L = 44 US Gallons

Still a fat profit in it.

[D_BLOCK]

Def a nice little earner allright. The upside is ,with it being sucrogen your guaranteed an accurate mix.I'll just have to wait a bit longer in the hope
that the 2 new woollies/caltex going up in the next year or so,decide to stock it.