New Car Kw upgrades in the same model

[VendeTTR]

I find it funny that in the 13 years since the VT II GTS 300, that power figures have only risen 8.3%. Yet actual 1/4 times have remained the same.

[whitels1ss]

I find it funny that in the 13 years since the VT II GTS 300, that power figures have only risen 8.3%. Yet actual 1/4 times have remained the same.

Yeah Tom, power figures have only risen by 8.3% but weights of the car have risen by more than 8.3%

[Wonky]

Yeah Tom, power figures have only risen by 8.3% but weights of the car have risen by more than 8.3%

Waaaaaaaaay more, yet they're also more fuel efficient too!

[VendeTTR]

Yeah Tom, power figures have only risen by 8.3% but weights of the car have risen by more than 8.3%

That's true. Quick search - VT GTS 1702kg vs E3 GTS 1845kg so roughly 8.4%

[Wonky]

Waaaaaaaaay more...............

That's true. Quick search - VT GTS 1702kg vs E3 GTS 1845kg so roughly 8.4%

You're right! I assumed given everybody refers to the VE as a lard arse that it was much heavier , but VT2 Calais V8 1648kg, VE Calais (not V) V8 1790kg, so not much over 8% increase.

[whitels1ss]

That's true. Quick search - VT GTS 1702kg vs E3 GTS 1845kg so roughly 8.4%

Thanks for that mate, I was thinking the gap was even larger but I was thinking weight of a VX or VY SS.
I actually thought the VE GTS was heavier than 1.845 and I was thinking comparing the weight of a VX SS which is only around 1,605KG's
(just from memory and I don't care if I am out by a few KG's)

[Xjas]

New cars owners,

Does it 'piss you off' disapppont you when you buy a new car in the HSV range and 6months or 12months later HSV increases the Kw to match?

eg.
you buy a 25 Year Anniversary GTS with 225kw (the highest Kw in the HSV range in that current model)
and 6-12 months later they bring out clubsports, grange, hsv utes, with the same power out put.

Yes and No?......

If you buy a new GTS how long do you feel you are entitled to be king of the castle for?

[whitels1ss]

If you buy a new GTS how long do you feel you are entitled to be king of the castle for?

Very true, a few small mods can easy fix that anyway.
I actually still don't like the looks of the E3 HSV's with all the drl's as much as I like the earlier model VE HSV's.

[team illucid]

My take on it is you buy the car you like, and add the features you want. Bigger motor, more power, better brakes are all options.

[VXSS346]

I used to care 20 years ago, but not anymore, I think its called growing up.

I'm still happy with my old bomb. No desire to upgrade.

[Drewie]

I used to care 20 years ago, but not anymore, I think its called growing up.

I'm still happy with my old bomb. No desire to upgrade.

Same here, more than happy with my VX SS no intention of updating for a while.

[Wonky]

I take your point, especially now older V8s are worth sfa, but having had a VY, two VZs and now two VEs (all V8s) IMO the VE is so far ahead in terms of pleasure to drive I'd hate to go back.

[Angeldust]

150 kg heavier is a LOT! i can feel the difference having the spare tyre out of my boot of my VZ.

ps. VZ HRT clubby with ls2 ~ 1643kg. = Best power/weight (except the ls7 w427)
(ls2 is 5% lighter than ls1)

im happy.

[AVENGE]

HSV don't make money when you keep your old HSV .

They want to tempt you to trade it in on the new model to get that extra 10 kw ..

That's what keeps their books ticking over ...

At our Club Meetings you can watch The Salesman spending way more time talking to those they think change cars often and don't bother too much with those who ' hold ' thier cars for a while !!!

Offtopic but decoupe, Im trying to reply to your PM but its saying your inbox is full.

[decoupe]

Sorry , It's cleared now ....