VF SS and SSV to have 6.2ltr

[Jac001]

The Pontiac G8 GXP, ie our VE SS with an LS3 incurred $1700 GGT, see below

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...ontiac-g8-gxp/

Yes, there would be what the yanks call "destination charge" but still, I don't think we in Australia are doing brilliantly with the pricing here.

Cheers, Matthew

Surely when reporting on these things we should be comparing apples to apples (both with all taxes or without), not MSRP v's drive away prices.

[Jag530G]

The reference in 'The Age Drive' article about the 6.2 litre can be read in two ways, it however does make reference to the Holden SS and the Chevrolet SS as having different engines, not really sure which one they are saying gets the 6.2L. The article is about the Chevrolet SS so is it the one getting the 6.2L?
Cut and paste from the article below:

"The new VF Commodore SS-V is similar in specification to the upcoming US-spec Chevrolet SS, but it gets the bigger, more powerful 6.2-litre engine from the HSV ClubSport that sells for $66,990 drive-away."

Remember the 2006 Pontiac GTO had the LS2 engine from the HSV GTO but our Monaros had the LS1. The Poniac G8 GXP was basically our VE SS but with the LS3. I would be unsurprised if the Chev SS had the LS3 and our SS/V stuck with the current engines.

Cheers, Matthew

[Jag530G]

Surely when reporting on these things we should be comparing apples to apples (both with all taxes or without), not MSRP v's drive away prices.

I agree, it isn't quite an apples v apples comparo in the article. But like I said before, I don't think an apple vs apple compario would be in our favour.

[Jac001]

Since GST is levied on the LCT, if the LCT was scrapped then a C63 would be $128K.


Cheers, Matthew

Yet the c63 has an MSRP of $60K in the US. http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicl...l-C63#packages Local taxes will increase this by a few thousand.

But it doesn't explain the rest of the gap of $50K or so. ($128K sans tax verses $60K MRSP).

[Jac001]

Ive never paid retail for a car and dont plan to ever, there is more than one way to skin a cat, if it were easy, everybody would be doing it, the art of negotiation is a skill

When the G8 GT was announced some dealers were adding another $10k to the price (on top of MSRP)!

They argue that when cars aren;t selling they have t knock off thousands so when they are popular they should be able to charge as much as they can. Hence why MSRP is the Manufactueres RECOMMENDED retail price.

In the US, dealers can sell the car for what ever they can which can be well over MRSP.

[Jac001]

I agree, it isn't quite an apples v apples comparo in the article. But like I said before, I don't think an apple vs apple compario would be in our favour.

I am not suggesting it would be, but at least articles should try and be honest about what they publish rather than be purposely misleading.

[VESportswagon20]

Look, I am not saying it will have the 6.2ltr but I would think financially it would make sense putting the same motor in if they are going down the same production line. Different financial situation to the past when they put 2 different motors in the 2 SS/G8 and Monaro/GTO twins.

[Jag530G]

Yet the c63 has an MSRP of $60K in the US. http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicl...l-C63#packages Local taxes will increase this by a few thousand.

But it doesn't explain the rest of the gap of $50K or so. ($128K sans tax verses $60K MRSP).

I would agree with the idea that M-B as an example, has to spread marketing costs, spare parts, service training costs etc across a smaller number of cars compared with the US, but yep, that wouldn't be $50K worth. Not even close. You'll sometimes hear the claim that the difference is that the US is a hyper competitive market but the cost of a C63 is dearer here than the UK where it sells for GBP57K pounds on road, about AUD$85K. See here: http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...oon.flash.html

Cheers, Matthew

[Jag530G]

When the G8 GT was announced some dealers were adding another $10k to the price (on top of MSRP)!

They argue that when cars aren;t selling they have t knock off thousands so when they are popular they should be able to charge as much as they can. Hence why MSRP is the Manufactueres RECOMMENDED retail price.

In the US, dealers can sell the car for what ever they can which can be well over MRSP.

Yep, I've read about that with other cars over ther, the dealers really go for the throat on a brand new popular car, if you want it now, you pay...

As an aside, although the G8 was sold in turbulent times for GM and Pontiac, used values of G8s, expecially the V8s, are sky high although I suspect they will take a dive with the availability of the Chev SS.

Cheers, Matthew

[Micks]

I wouldn't of thought the L77 would be scrapped this early! The 6L tweaked is no slouch anyhow!!

[Speedy Gonzales]

Yep, I've read about that with other cars over ther, the dealers really go for the throat on a brand new popular car, if you want it now, you pay...

As an aside, although the G8 was sold in turbulent times for GM and Pontiac, used values of G8s, expecially the V8s, are sky high although I suspect they will take a dive with the availability of the Chev SS.

Cheers, Matthew

The saying goes, theres a sucker born every day, if someone wants to pay 10 grand more for a car just to be the first in line, be my guest, you want my spot in the queue? Thatll be 5 grand thanks.

Consumers over there are pretty smart, most will walk and go elsewhere if they dont get the deal they want, unlike in Aus

[Jac001]

The saying goes, theres a sucker born every day, if someone wants to pay 10 grand more for a car just to be the first in line, be my guest, you want my spot in the queue? Thatll be 5 grand thanks.

Consumers over there are pretty smart, most will walk and go elsewhere if they dont get the deal they want, unlike in Aus

I agree. But when there are some 500 pontiac dealers and they on average get 5 cars per month (to get 30k units a year) then they charge what they like.

Many consumers got fed up with muliply dealers try to screw them and walked away and the dealers got stuck with cars that took ages to sell even with discounts.

(I remember a report on tv from one of the dealers saying that had over 100 enquires for the g8 once it was confirmed for sale in the first weekend!)

[Jac001]

I would agree with the idea that M-B as an example, has to spread marketing costs, spare parts, service training costs etc across a smaller number of cars compared with the US, but yep, that wouldn't be $50K worth. Not even close. You'll sometimes hear the claim that the difference is that the US is a hyper competitive market but the cost of a C63 is dearer here than the UK where it sells for GBP57K pounds on road, about AUD$85K. See here: http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...oon.flash.html

Cheers, Matthew

When tariffs dropped not all manufactures dropped their pricing by the full amount, because they would hurt previous customers and kill resale rates.

Likewise if the Gov got rid of LCT we wouldn't see the full amount disappear off RRP either.

[Jag530G]

When tariffs dropped not all manufactures dropped their pricing by the full amount, because they would hurt previous customers and kill resale rates.

Likewise if the Gov got rid of LCT we wouldn't see the full amount disappear off RRP either.

Yes,with exchange rate increases and tarriff cuts M-B et al seem to like upping the spec of the car and keep the same price and soon after bring out at new cheaper "base" model to fill in below. M-B and BMW have for ages kept their 318i (now 320i) and the C-Class at around the LCT threshold of $57K for years now and the cars have much better specs then what they did back in the late 90s.

[Hos]

Export will get the 6.2L, Holden's will remain as 6.0L. So my source said.