VF Commodore revealed - Official details and pics- Part 2

[XSNRGY]

Interior:

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Quite frankly I dont know which pic is the ugliest one, it looks like crap and I thought the V8 supercars looked like crap too.
R.I.P. the staunch looking VE Commodore.

[kewgi]

Is it 100% coming out with black wheels?

[abrowne70]

Saw the orange/gold VF SSV today in person looks tuff as and has the black wheels aswell. Tough so much better in real life

[jaykay]

yeah, yeah i'll give you that one........

Thanks

[Alex(AUS)]

The problem is, is all this talk about pricing is pure media speculation and not factual information. Chevy has not released official pricing yet so i wouldn't be getting overly excited about anything yet!

Absolutely. The talk here is hypothetical ... ie if holden choose to sell a better equipped Aussie car for less in the US. We are hoping that it is sold for less here with the lower features. I am sure if that happens we will all line up for one. However, if Holden isnt listening, they may get the opposite effect ...

Alex

[jc_sv8]

So we're never going to be parity with US pricing.
I was in the US back in '07 when we had the Monaro GTO here for $75k and they had it on the lot in a Pontaic dealership for US$36k on the road.
What are you going to do?

Ignore what is happening overseas as it is irrelevant. Nothing you do will change that, who cares if they pay $20k for their SS.
Unless you live there your not being paid the same or paying the same.

Do you think that the new VF s worth the money they are charging?
If you do then buy one, if not then buy something else.

Joe average wants a fancy interior that will take 4 adults in comfort from A to B.
Dudes like us want performance and a nice ride. Unfortunately we are in the minority.
Green and clean rule the roost, hence fuel consumption is what the bland brigade dictate.
If they put out an LS3 to appease 1% of the population it will be the last model they release.
Yea it might be sensational but that mentality would have meant that the VK might have been the last time we bought a Commodore.

Back then no body would have bought an engine less than 5L. The 4.9L group A regulation changed that and there was huge backlash.
Hence the V8 till 98 campaign, for those of us old enough to remember....

So either get on board and ensure we continue to build world quality cars or put up with the avalance of Korean gear flooding the market.
Yes I believe we do produce quality equipment and bang for buck you won't beat it - even if it's only 6.0L. :-)

[Smitty]

So we're never going to be parity with US pricing.
I was in the US back in '07 when we had the Monaro GTO here for $75k and they had it on the lot in a Pontaic dealership for US$36k on the road.
What are you going to do?

Ignore what is happening overseas as it is irrelevant. Nothing you do will change that, who cares if they pay $20k for their SS.
Unless you live there your not being paid the same or paying the same.

Do you think that the new VF s worth the money they are charging?
If you do then buy one, if not then buy something else.

Joe average wants a fancy interior that will take 4 adults in comfort from A to B.
Dudes like us want performance and a nice ride. Unfortunately we are in the minority.
Green and clean rule the roost, hence fuel consumption is what the bland brigade dictate.
If they put out an LS3 to appease 1% of the population it will be the last model they release.
Yea it might be sensational but that mentality would have meant that the VK might have been the last time we bought a Commodore.

Back then no body would have bought an engine less than 5L. The 4.9L group A regulation changed that and there was huge backlash.
Hence the V8 till 98 campaign, for those of us old enough to remember..............

what we don't know and can only surmise is...what is GM is doing with stuff like the pricing/costing of the engine and gearbox and other
US sourced components

These come from the US ..and are going back to the US. Is there some sort of internal offset for these parts?
...who knows but it is something to consider when one looks at the pricing difference (even excluding taxes etc)


ps... I remember the V8 'til 98 protest. As a GMH employee I thought it funny writing to Chuck Chapman .....
(but as I was running around at that time in a HDT modified 5.0 4 speed VK Berlina I thought it something I should do)

[Smitty]

The problem may not be the Holden products but more the fact we are flooded with choice in this day and age of so many differing types of cars. realistically for such a fragmented marked the Commodore still does very well, just not like on it's hay day thats all.

about 70 brands with 350 models to chose from.
a tad different new car market from what is was 20...even 10 years ago

[Speedy Gonzales]

So we're never going to be parity with US pricing.
I was in the US back in '07 when we had the Monaro GTO here for $75k and they had it on the lot in a Pontaic dealership for US$36k on the road.
What are you going to do?

Ignore what is happening overseas as it is irrelevant. Nothing you do will change that, who cares if they pay $20k for their SS.
Unless you live there your not being paid the same or paying the same.

Do you think that the new VF s worth the money they are charging?
If you do then buy one, if not then buy something else.

Joe average wants a fancy interior that will take 4 adults in comfort from A to B.
Dudes like us want performance and a nice ride. Unfortunately we are in the minority.
Green and clean rule the roost, hence fuel consumption is what the bland brigade dictate.
If they put out an LS3 to appease 1% of the population it will be the last model they release.
Yea it might be sensational but that mentality would have meant that the VK might have been the last time we bought a Commodore.

Back then no body would have bought an engine less than 5L. The 4.9L group A regulation changed that and there was huge backlash.
Hence the V8 till 98 campaign, for those of us old enough to remember....

So either get on board and ensure we continue to build world quality cars or put up with the avalance of Korean gear flooding the market.
Yes I believe we do produce quality equipment and bang for buck you won't beat it - even if it's only 6.0L. :-)

I cant wait till Hyundai brings the RSpec Genesis, the suggestion that Holden builds world quality cars ia laughable, if its world quality, it should be able to be purchased in any region globally, that it isnt because they know they will get smashed

[Marco]

A comment which completely ignores the fact that "world class quality" is not the same thing as "appeals to customers around the world". No matter how well made a large RWD sedan is, it's not likely to appeal to many European or Asian buyers because the market conditions are different; just as Japanese Kei cars might be very well made but are unsellable in the US or Australia.

[Speedy Gonzales]

Something must be wrong with my logic if BMW, Benz and Audi can build cars that appeals to Europe, Asia, American and Middle East

[Jac001]

Something must be wrong with my logic if BMW, Benz and Audi can build cars that appeals to Europe, Asia, American and Middle East

The biggest issue is that the commodore and caprice etc just don't fit into GM's global portoflio.

Very few regions are interested in large non luxury branded cars. If you look at GM Chevrolet brand world wide, in most markets the largets sedan is a malibu and in some countries its the cruze!

In these countires, the average family can't afford to run a large 3.6L or 6.0L car and the wealthythat can afford to run these cars will choose a luxury branded car.

Thus the market for the commodore is limited to where fuel is relatively cheap (with the exception of the UK where it is badged as a 'premium' badged' vauxhall an not as a chevrolet, and china where the caprice is badged as a buick).

For the commodore/ caprice to be global models it needs to be come an opel/ buick or if it stays as a chevrolet it needs to be merged with the impala.

[Jag530G]

The biggest issue is that the commodore and caprice etc just don't fit into GM's global portoflio.

Very few regions are interested in large non luxury branded cars. If you look at GM Chevrolet brand world wide, in most markets the largets sedan is a malibu and in some countries its the cruze!

In these countires, the average family can't afford to run a large 3.6L or 6.0L car and the wealthythat can afford to run these cars will choose a luxury branded car.

Thus the market for the commodore is limited to where fuel is relatively cheap (with the exception of the UK where it is badged as a 'premium' badged' vauxhall an not as a chevrolet, and china where the caprice is badged as a buick).

For the commodore/ caprice to be global models it needs to be come an opel/ buick or if it stays as a chevrolet it needs to be merged with the impala.

All true above. The other issue for the Commodre and Caprice to be sold world wide is that GM already has a premium brand that sells small and mid size (and in 2015 large) RWD cars, Cadillac. In much of the rest of the world there is simply no market for non-premium large RWD 6 and 8 cylinder sedans. If people want a big car they buy an SUV or they buy a premium badge, M-B S CLass, BMW 7 series, Audi A8, Jag XJ.

Cheers, Matthew

[empower]

All true above. The other issue for the Commodre and Caprice to be sold world wide is that GM already has a premium brand that sells small and mid size (and in 2015 large) RWD cars, Cadillac. In much of the rest of the world there is simply no market for non-premium large RWD 6 and 8 cylinder sedans. If people want a big car they buy an SUV or they buy a premium badge, M-B S CLass, BMW 7 series, Audi A8, Jag XJ.

Cheers, Matthew

that's simply because BMW and Mercedes don't gouge their customers in most markets.

[Party Pete]

I have to say that it is bit depressing that even some people on this forum are writing off the VF as not being good enough before they have even released them into the market. Give it a chance to see how much they have improved it over the VE. I have been a critic of the VEs interior since it was released but the new one looks good and promises much, so let's at least see how the VF actually turns out before we write it off.

Unfortunately the reason why we get gouged on both the Commodore and prestige Euro brands comes down to history and expectation. For many years we had a 50% tariff on imported passenger cards and more recently as the tariffs were removed (down to 5% now), our exchange rate wasn't particularly favourable. Now people simply expect to pay a premium price for the premium brands so why would the importers want to give up their margins. You only have to look at the prices charged for e-class mercs and 5 series BMWs compared to the SUV equivalents. Model for model you pay much less for the larger and more expensive SUV than the sedan on which they are based. This isn't the case overseas but then due to the lack of tariffs in the past on SUVs, people don't expect to pay as much of a premium. Unfortunately this trickles down the line to less prestiges brands like Holden. In the US, they are paying half the price for Merc E550 or a BWM 550i so Holden simply can't sell the Commodore for as much as they do here. It doesn't mean that I like it though as we are just being gouged.