PTFE polish? Real deal or snake oil?

[Solone]

On eBay there seems to be this miracle polish that lasts for years. They describe it as having zonyl in their formula which outshines and outlasts conventional waxes?

Promoting it like car dealers use it from new as a paint protection option??

Anyone used these products?? If it was so good wouldn't meguiars or mothers do such a polish as well?

The real deal or snake oil?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PTFE-Car-...#ht_5669wt_891

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Boora-Ult...#ht_8983wt_922

[toey]

if you want to buy a product from guys who dont even know what their product is, go ahead. polish is an abrasive with or without cleaners in it. they are marketing a sealant. never heard of it and their are much better and known products on the market that will do this job

[bozodos]

I'm sure if that stuff worked anywhere near as well as what they claim, you'd be able to buy it from any detailing website or store!

[Red Beard]

I found this explanation online:

Manufacturers started adding PTFE to car polish because consumers are familiar with the word "Teflon™".

Nothing will stick to PTFE, so its virtually impossible to get it to stick to the paint finish. UNLESS you physically (mechanically) bond it to the paint the same way they "bond" it to a frying pan. IE: They "scratch" the metal with 1000's of micro-fine scratches, and then force the pure "PTFE" into the scratches under intense heat and pressure.

Can you do this to your car? Probably, but you probably don't want to scratch the paint finish to do it. Some operators will say they can do it, by using a high speed buffer to heat the surface - the problem with this, if it was truly 100% PTFE, the buffing wheel simply wouldn't cause enough friction to create the heat required to bond the PTFE to the paintwork. (remember: PTFE = no friction).


If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[Solone]

there are a few comparisons on other forums and most say that it outshines conventional wax and lasts longer.

Many have said it dont last the 3 years plus that some sellers claim but it lasts a good 6 months+ which is more than conventional wax lasts.

Also the sellers all seem to be from UK or Germany in very cold temperatures. Possibly due to our warmer climate there is no real need for a longer lasting wax but in snow or bad weather it may have forced someone to create something..

Ive also read it dont need to be baked on as per the earlier post but other additives hold it to the paint which give you a barrier which repels more than a conventional wax.

One of the sellers on ebay has sold thousands with a 100% positive feedback.

[bozodos]

I like to use long lasting sealants due to the heat that my car sees - the best I've found so far was a two step Duragloss pack from Car Care Products.

You could always try it Solone and see how you go with it

[VNV8]

There are plenty of long-life sealants out there which are proven, they're usually ceramic coating-type products, car care products have a few on their website.

[toey]

seems like you are pretty set on getting it, if you want to try something and be the guinea pig, who are we to stop you.

if you want something that works look at some of the following
wolfs body wrap
wolfs hard body
22ple (think its pro applied)
nanolex pro (pro applied)
opti coat (pro applied)
opticoat 2.0
c quartz
g techniq (pro applied)
ceramic pro (pro applied)

there is a few for you to look at

[Red Beard]

One of the sellers on ebay has sold thousands with a 100% positive feedback.

The problem with ebay feedback is that it's usually put up when the goods arrive, or just after first use, not 2 or 3 weeks later when it's worn off, or 3 months later when it's still beading up and providing good protection either. It would be more interesting to see how many are repeat customers. I know this guy who bought a box of that FW1 spray wash and wax, swears it's the best thing going around. He still uses it, even though his car is covered in swirl marks, he thinks it's normal because most cars have it, likes the fact that he doesn't have to hose the car, mind you he used to shower at work so he didn't have to use his own shower.

I've actually used Nulon oil additive with PTFE in it for over 20 years. I can't honestly say that it works, because I've never had any internal components break or fail inside the engine. I guess the heat bonding process isn't a problem inside a motor.

I'm not saying it doesn't do what it says, we'll just have to wait and see if anyone wants to be a guinea pig.

[Solone]

Well I purchased it and it arrived...

Did the ls1...

It came in a 2 part treatment, pre cleaner and extreme endurance zonyl + resin treatment.

The pre cleaner needed to buff it in.. Looked like a mirror finish, seemed like using clay bar

Then used the ptfe polish... It was very difficult to apply and remove to be honest.. Seemed to dry up quickly. Seemed to have to use a fair bit. It says to let completely dry before buffing off. So I went shopping, come back and buffed it off..

Car is extremely slippery to touch and looks like a mirror/glass finish.. I would say it shines as good as any polish I've ever used.. (I currently use the meguirs ultimate on my other car) For looks I give it a 10/10... As good as the McGuire ultimate.

It still remains to be proven how long it lasts as this is the primary reason I bought the ptfe treatment. For looks could just get meguirs ultimate to match it. Car stays outside and i rince off the morning dew each morning so we will see. I will update in a month or so...

[white lie]

Maguiars gave you a 10/10 finish? Must have been a good starting platform!
I'm guessing you had already purchased before starting this thread or just after?

Don't mean to sound condescending, I'm just skeptical about the "latest and greatest" as opposed to tried and tested methods.

[toey]

WOW!!! you ask for advice and yet take none in??

had a few minutes spare so i watched the video in the first ebay link.......bahhhaaahhhaaahaaa........yeah that sheets water awesome.......NOT!!!!!! longest lasting sealant on the market, lasts 12 months. they must of done pleanty of research on that statement.

what they dont tell you in their add is that the latest and greatest wax or sealant isnt worth a cent if its applied over poorly prepaired paint surface. if the finish and durability is being compaired to meguiars ultimate wax, then it doesnt need to be anything special to take that mantle piece. seriously, every product i listed above will out perform that stuff. some may be harder to apply and some easier but all will look as good and last longer. there is two of the products i listed that that i sell/apply that has a 5 year garentee for the sealant on used cars and a life time warrenty on new cars.

so there is better products out there if you care to look around and ask people that work in or have a interest in the detailing industry

[VNV8]

If he rates meguiars as 10/10 I don't think he's really that into detailing...

[sjhugh]

Agreed, using Meguiars as the performance benchmark over some of the other higher end products available does mean the PTFE stuff would need to score 20/10 to compete with the tried and tested stuff.

Still, you can understand why consumers often don’t look any further than Mequiars as it has strong brand recognition due to its long association with the mod car scene and performs reasonably well as an easy on solution to short term protection and is ready available at most auto and discount Big W type of places.

When you learn there are other more worthy products out there then get in and give them a try.

The list toey has supplied is a good one and the beauty of these higher end products is they usually don’t cost any more than the mass retail stuff and offer great value for money as they perform better and in most cases, less product is required to achieve the result.

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[Solone]

I know that everyone is a staunch supporter of what they know but Meguirs gear performs as well or better than the products above.

I know people who have won show n shines with meguirs products..

The kit come with a pre cleaner...

We are only a few days in but so far the car looks great and seems to look cleaner for longer. its still very clean despite being parked putside and driven a fair bit.. still very slippery to the touch..

So far the product is meeting my expectations and better than the products listed above and equal to meguirs ultimate for shine..

if it lasts longer i might stockpile the product and throw out my other polish/waxes..

Im happy to compare my shine against anyone elses on here..