VF Commodore revealed - Official details and pics - Part 3

[Speedy Gonzales]

As usual....LOTS of knockers here..."Tall Poppy Syndrome" I reckon.
My opinion is that VF looks terrific, & I reckon will look even better in the flesh...can't wait to see all the latest electronic "Gizmos" they've built into the car.
Holden's put a MASSIVE effort into this car, in addition to massive price drops.....it's sales success will be good for ALL Aussies, good for manufacturing, GOOD full stop......Holden have done their best.
I say GOOD LUCK HOLDEN. Pickles.

Not tall poppy, we expect better, for the dollars we shell out to Holden and the pollies, its easy to rest on laurels when you are propped up, dont see anyone who runs their own business in Aus who employs workers get propped up and do it as tough, if not tougher

Can you guys give it a rest with the PMs, not interested. PM a mod instead

[jc_sv8]

I'm not sure about these wheels, all of the previous pics had different wheels.
Seeing as this pic is new today, I'm hoping they have a few to select from...

[jc_sv8]

SV6 And SS
Beyond the Evoke are the 210kW/350Nm 3.6 petrol SV6 and the 270kW/530Nm 6.0 litre V8 SS models, both featuring an identical equipment spread.
Adding to the Evoke's standard features are a sports body-kit with 18-inch alloy wheels, LED daytime running lights, Sportec/cloth combination seat trim, Blind Spot Alert and Reverse Traffic Alert.

SS V
Also powered by a 6.0 litre V8, the SS V adds 19-inch alloys, front fog lamps, leather-trimmed seats, sensor key with push button start, footwell lamps, eight-speaker audio and a DVD player.
The instrument cluster display is upgraded to colour, and Satellite Navigation is also standard in the SS V, with live traffic updates, traffic management control and points of interest.


SS V Redline
Upgrading to the extra-special SS V Redline adds forged 19-inch wheels, Brembo brakes and updated FE3 sports suspension, a colour head-up display, Forward Collision Alert, Lane Departure Warning, nine-speaker Bose audio and, in the sedan, a sunroof.
“The Holden engineering team is really proud of what they’ve been able to achieve with Redline. VF Redline also has wider rear wheels for extra traction and includes competition mode with launch control and track settings for the true enthusiasts who participate in track days,” Holden Sales & Marketing boss Philip Brook said.
“We launched the Redline range at Series II and it’s been a huge success. Within two years it’s carved out a spot at the top of the ladder as the absolute best in luxury, sports performance.”

Calais
Running parallel to the sports range, the 3.6 litre V6 Calais upgrades on the Evoke kit by adding leather-appointed seats, 18-inch alloys, chrome highlights, sensor key with push-button start, a colour instrument display, LED daytime running lamps, Blind Spot Alert and Reverse Traffic Alert.
Satellite navigation can also be optioned in the Calais.

Calais V
Revealed earlier this year, the 6.0 litre V8 Calais V's upgrades include 19-inch alloys, eight-way power-adjusted driver seat, colour head-up display, nine-speaker Bose audio (sedan only) and a DVD player.
There's also heated front seats, satellite navigation, rain-sensing wipers, Lane Departure Warning, Forward Collision Alert and, in the sedan, a sunroof.

[subtle]

I dont base fuel consumption on emission stickers stuck on the windscreen that list a figure which is run under perfect conditions in a lab, real world, dyno and AFR point to point

Last time I looked, tyres for 19s, 20s and 21s arent readily available in remote areas and cost more to purchase than 15s-18s

4L60 a crap box? Tell that to Camaro, Trans Am, GTO, Corvette, Commodore, Monaro and Statesmen owners who have push their cars to the limit here and overseas

Bigger car, dont need, 50/50 weight, dont need, 6 airbags, dont need, ESP, BA, EBD dont need, its a good chassis, Murph did set the record at Bathurst which lasted for many years and apparently there was more in it.

If its such a great car, how come it isnt selling? No point having the worlds greatest car on paper if no one buys it.

You obviously havent travelled and driven other brands of cars so when it comes to "world car of the year", I think thats an accolade Holden can share with the worlds best treasurer and the worlds best prime minister

So you don't need airbags or any other safety crap they just weight the car down eh? and as for Murphs lap do you really think that had anything to do with the shell they used or perhaps the completely different setup of a RACECAR?

As for it not selling as well ? people have way more choice these days most with families are buying SUVs to get all the kids and crap in as well as there being sfa in tarrifs etc for importers now so our market is pretty much fair game I do hope HOLDEN do well with this car as there is a lot riding on it.

[C4B]

As usual....LOTS of knockers here..."Tall Poppy Syndrome" I reckon.
My opinion is that VF looks terrific, & I reckon will look even better in the flesh...can't wait to see all the latest electronic "Gizmos" they've built into the car.
Holden's put a MASSIVE effort into this car, in addition to massive price drops.....it's sales success will be good for ALL Aussies, good for manufacturing, GOOD full stop......Holden have done their best.
I say GOOD LUCK HOLDEN. Pickles.

Tall poppy is for when something is clearly better than its contemporaries and is attacked as a result of its clear superiority.

Discussing the negative aspects of a product in decline isn't tall poppy syndrome because it's not a tall poppy to start with.

[Speedy Gonzales]

So you don't need airbags or any other safety crap they just weight the car down eh? and as for Murphs lap do you really think that had anything to do with the shell they used or perhaps the completely different setup of a RACECAR?

As for it not selling as well ? people have way more choice these days most with families are buying SUVs to get all the kids and crap in as well as there being sfa in tarrifs etc for importers now so our market is pretty much fair game I do hope HOLDEN do well with this car as there is a lot riding on it.

Have driven hundreds, thousands?? of cars with and without airbags and with /without electronic aids, cant speak for others but I dont drive hard enough to warrant safety aids, feel just as safe in a 57 Chevy hardtop as I would in a VE.

When talking about chassis rigidity and balance weight 50/50, there is no other extreme I can think of except cars competing against each other fighting for space on a track and being stoved into walls, barriers, sand traps, other cars at high speed and g forces.

I want Holden to do well, but cant see it being done with the VF, it will sell to those who buy cars as a luxury, a group Im sometimes part of, who wouldnt want a GTS with LSA as a collector car, but for most everyday mom and pop, they buy Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan and I think Subaru.

I expect to be disappointed, and wait for the inevitable, imports of Chevs

[Plenty]

Have driven hundreds, thousands?? of cars with and without airbags and with /without electronic aids, cant speak for others but I dont drive hard enough to warrant safety aids, feel just as safe in a 57 Chevy hardtop as I would in a VE.

Yeah maybe a valid point, but what about the "accident" you know the one you cannot control, would you not rather have a seatbelt and airbags? What if your travelling down the freeway, it's pissing with rain your doing a 100Km/h + and the truck in front of you loses it's load........ swerve in a car without ESP and unless your a very talented driver your overcorrection is going to send you rolling down the road into the nearest barrier.

It's proven that these supplementary devices have helped save lives and reduce injury from medium impact crashes, and even though it's a hard one to prove i'm sure ESP has saved many more.

On another note if i offended you in my previous posts i apologise it was not my intent at all.

Cheers Plenty

[VRIIClubby]

When talking about chassis rigidity and balance weight 50/50, there is no other extreme I can think of except cars competing against each other fighting for space on a track and being stoved into walls, barriers, sand traps, other cars at high speed and g forces.

sneezes... ahh Bullsht....... You cant be serious Speedy...im dumbfounded you would even say that. The stability of my No Airbag, No electronics Clubsport vs the smarts of my Redline Wagon is chalk and cheese, The clubby is fun to drive, very bloody nerve wrecking, esp in the wet, the Redluine, a smooth dream, rain hail or shine. Im still perplexed you said that.

When talking about chassis rigidity and balance weight 50/50, there is no other extreme I can think of except cars competing against each other fighting for space on a track and being stoved into walls, barriers, sand traps, other cars at high speed and g forces.

You have got to be drinking or smoking something (really good) tonight Speedy, seriously, you CANNOT compare a bloody racecar and its "rigidness" to a road car. has someone hijacked your login? - I hope so. Racecars get there rigidity from the ROLLCAGE. I just ran out and checked, nup, my Wagon seems to be missing that. bummer, no 2.06:8's for me.

I want Holden to do well, but cant see it being done with the VF, it will sell to those who buy cars as a luxury, a group Im sometimes part of, who wouldnt want a GTS with LSA as a collector car, but for most everyday mom and pop, they buy Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan and I think Subaru.

Have your kids left the house already? I know as a "younger" family man, looking for a new car in the past 6 months for a FAMILY (3 x car seats for the next 6 years) the choices out there are actually pretty poor. There is only 3 cars on the market (without going over $60K - so avge Jo Blo) that will fit 3 car seats across one row = fact. So your pretty incorrect there, the Commodore is a family car, sales of the SS Wagon are more than double of the V6 equiv, why? Because the ladies (mums) LOVE the wagon, the Hubby's love the V8. So many different factors for purchasing cars these days, do you live in the city or the country, that makes a BIG difference to what you purchase. (BTW - 19' tyres out here in the "dirt" are comparitive to the city.)

I expect to be disappointed, and wait for the inevitable, imports of Chevs

As do I, but you shouldn't rubbish a product you dont own, or get to drive on a regular basis as you have no real experience to base that advice. I really hope the public takes up on them, becuase overall, they are a good piece of kit for the Australian market.

[Pickles]

Not tall poppy, we expect better, for the dollars we shell out to Holden and the pollies, its easy to rest on laurels when you are propped up, dont see anyone who runs their own business in Aus who employs workers get propped up and do it as tough, if not tougher

Can you guys give it a rest with the PMs, not interested. PM a mod instead

You don't know what you're talking about with respect to "propping up". I thought the same as you for a while....probably still do to some extent, but the fact is, that the car industry is "subsidised" world wide.....we actually "subsidise" less than most. I don't agrre with it either, but that's the way it is.
What PMs....??....I haven't sent any.
Cheers, Pickles

[Plenty]

Have your kids left the house already? I know as a "younger" family man, looking for a new car in the past 6 months for a FAMILY (3 x car seats for the next 6 years) the choices out there are actually pretty poor. There is only 3 cars on the market (without going over $60K - so avge Jo Blo) that will fit 3 car seats across one row = fact.

Yeah i 100% agree the VE is by far the biggest width of a rear seat i have seen, i easily fit my 3 car seats in. It can also be done in the FG but it's tighter, the Chrysler 300 not a chance (safely anyway). The only other option would be a 7 seater, as they don't make the Turbo Territory anymore that's a no goer as well.

[Pickles]

Tall poppy is for when something is clearly better than its contemporaries and is attacked as a result of its clear superiority.

Discussing the negative aspects of a product in decline isn't tall poppy syndrome because it's not a tall poppy to start with.

Not necessarily.
I like to concentrate on the positive side of things, and particularly in the case of the Commodore/Holden/Aussie manufacturing etc etc etc.....something some seem to have an aversion to.
There are many reasons why the Commodore is having a hard time, many of those reasons have NOTHING to do with the Commodore itself, which remains an excellent vehicle, and Holden has done its best to ensure that this is the best one ever, an effort I believe is worth applauding.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Jag530G]

I dont drive hard enough to warrant safety aids, feel just as safe in a 57 Chevy hardtop as I would in a VE.

Are you for real????? Non collapsible steering column, 4 wheel drum brakes, not even split circuit brake booster... A '57 Chev doesn't even have the safety equipment of a front disc brake equipped HK Kingswood FFS, let alone the technology of a VE.

[Evman]

..cant speak for others but I dont drive hard enough to warrant safety aids

The way you drive is only 50% of the situation though isn't it. The other 50% takes into account the way every other driver drives. Are you confident enough in everyone's driving ability to suggest that driver aids and safety equipment are unwarranted? I'd love to see you actively remove all of your intrusion bars and crumple zones in your family car with a bunch of your kids in the back seat and the woman you love in the front. After all, you don't drive hard enough to warrant them.

I'm wondering if you knew anyone that was killed in a car accident, because I knew five from three different accidents. Would happily pay that bit extra and have a car with a few more kilos any day if it meant they didn't die.

[Troutman]

An oldy but a goody: '59 Chev vs '09 Chev. A similar story can be said for active safety no doubt.

[Jag530G]

An oldy but a goody: '59 Chev vs '09 Chev. A similar story can be said for active safety no doubt.

Imagine how a '57 Hardtop would have ended up like considering it doesn't have a B pillar... That test was a 40mph (64kph) offset crash and the driver of the '59 is basically stuffed. The '09 Malibu has barely suffered any structural damage to the passenger cell.

Cheers, Matthew