Vauxhall VXR (Gen F GTS) v BMW M5 Review......

[Goggles]

Who buys a brand new M5 or GTS to go and drift on damp roads anyway?

precisely.

the test and video were very amateurish. no mention of the stuff that matters such as interior quietness, fuel consumption, standard features, options etc

how about testing them in the real world - a spirited (but no drifting) country drive, tooling around town and a few laps of a track (again no drifting).

[GR346]

That has got to be one of the most useless test I have ever seen...

[shaness8]

Com'on GM give us a twin turbo V8,

The test reminds me of Camaro ZL1 vs Nissan GTR no contest.

[Xjas]

Com'on GM give us a twin turbo V8,

The test reminds me of Camaro ZL1 vs Nissan GTR no contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqkyWhVBSKU

Camaro Z28 vs 2014 Nissan GTR, they give the win to the Camaro but I'd say its to close to call, still pretty good for the Camaro though.

[BigAnt]

A British magazine has named the Vauxhall VXR8 its choice in a five-car comparo against such august competition as the Mercedes-Benz E 63 AMG S, the BMW M5 with Competition Pack and the Audi RS6 Avant
http://www.carsales.com.au/news/larg...top-pick-43335

[jc_sv8]

The GTS is great value ……………………………... here.

The ZL1 Camaro at $55,355USD in the USA is also another car with great value but only at a performance level.

Also the 2014 Chevrolet SS is good value at US$43,475 with the 415HP LS3, staggered 19's and flappy paddles.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

Yes that true with respect to drive train,but what you have stated is what I was driving at ,if you were to have the tech of the Germans in the GTS ,then you would have a very capable car ,but my point is for the amount of money you pay for the Germans ,the GTS is still better bang for buck and the Germans would not be able to match that in cheaper forms ,because its been proven on many TOP GEAR and FIFTH GEAR series over the years. Our low tech engineering is still performing quite well against much higher priced European machines and the sums add up, if you put them head to head for the sake of a couple of tenth's of second in performance, its a lot of money and that just doesnt add up.I would rather spend that kind of money on additional properties and spend a little more on the GTS and flog the Germans.

Funny....that's what the ford guys have been saying with their GTs and turbo falcons for years. And now a 90k GTS is not much faster then the far cheaper and far older fords. You can't whinge about the euros but then use the same logic to our own benifit to suit HSVs! Well...you can....but it's lame

[Plenty]

Funny....that's what the ford guys have been saying with their GTs and turbo falcons for years. And now a 90k GTS is not much faster then the far cheaper and far older fords. You can't whinge about the euros but then use the same logic to our own benifit to suit HSVs! Well...you can....but it's lame

Faster??? The GenF GTS will destroy an FG GT r-spec in every test you care to put against it, the LSA has also been around longer than the FPV supercharged unit. It is also commonly known (and you do as well) that the FPV 5.0l is under rated by a long margin in terms of overall power. So why would it not be "nearly" as fast as the GTS?

Your beloved FPV got nailed around a track by the 2+ tonne Chrysler 300 SRT................... Oh and FYI the GenF GTS took out the new twin turbo E63 AMG around the track in it's last comparison as well.

I effing hate it when credit is not given where it's due.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

Faster??? The GenF GTS will destroy an FG GT r-spec in every test you care to put against it, the LSA has also been around longer than the FPV supercharged unit. It is also commonly known (and you do as well) that the FPV 5.0l is under rated by a long margin in terms of overall power. So why would it not be "nearly" as fast as the GTS?
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Hang on you just said the GTS will smash an rspec GT in any test.....then you said but it's underrated in power so why wouldn't it be nearly as fast as a GTS.
So do you think a GT is nearly as fast as a GTS or do you think it will get smashed.....

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

It's the hypocrisy that gets me in this thread. For ten years the XRTurbo and GT guys have been faster in nearly every model bar a few hsvs here and there. But that's when they just bring out the cost card......oh but were only 45k as opposed to your 60/70/80k cars. And were still a tenth here or there away.

But now everyone is claiming the beemers or whatever are only winning because they cost more.....some saying....well let us spend the same budget as them and then see how we go. It's retarded. I really didn't expect so much of that when we know well and truely that even this epic GTS is no match in overall refinement/tech and especially efficiency. Euro fans are laughing there arses off for saying these things. But it's the first it's happened because no one has ever made such a track focused car like the vf GTS in aus before.

Wake up and see the GTS for what it is!!not what you wish it was because you really wish you had a 5series!

[Plenty]

Hang on you just said the GTS will smash an rspec GT in any test.....then you said but it's underrated in power so why wouldn't it be nearly as fast as a GTS.
So do you think a GT is nearly as fast as a GTS or do you think it will get smashed.....

In a staight line mate........ There is more to a car than straight line grunt, which the GTS has more of and is also faster. I was merely stating that the GT 5L is a very powerful engine, more powerful than the 335 badge suggests. I aint bashing the FPV, would be pretty stupid when i have a 2013 Pursuit sitting in my garage, but lets face it the FG is nothing on the HSV which goes faster in all areas, it stops better and handles better.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

In a staight line mate........ There is more to a car than straight line grunt, which the GTS has more of and is also faster. I was merely stating that the GT 5L is a very powerful engine, more powerful than the 335 badge suggests. I aint bashing the FPV, would be pretty stupid when i have a 2013 Pursuit sitting in my garage, but lets face it the FG is nothing on the HSV which goes faster in all areas, it stops better and handles better.

Yes a agree.....it's certainly faster in all areas but not as much as most think in a straight line....which let's face it.....almost ALL tests are in a straight line, with only the odd track time comparo. People want and can only use these street cars on the street. Otherwise all we'd see is track tests.
On the point of its kick arse brakes......anyone got brake figures for the GTS? I'm assuming the big race brakes will not perform cold as well as they will last on a track...where they're no doubt designed for.
And yes with the underrated GT power and the massive 22-25% power train loss thru the tough driveline....it explains why in a straight line they are closer then the 335 v 430 badge hints. It's only a tenth or two between them.....and that's probably the far better tyres and that crazy diff.....not the big badge power. True?

[macca_779]

Yes a agree.....it's certainly faster in all areas but not as much as most think in a straight line....which let's face it.....almost ALL tests are in a straight line, with only the odd track time comparo. People want and can only use these street cars on the street. Otherwise all we'd see is track tests.
On the point of its kick arse brakes......anyone got brake figures for the GTS? I'm assuming the big race brakes will not perform cold as well as they will last on a track...where they're no doubt designed for.
And yes with the underrated GT power and the massive 22-25% power train loss thru the tough driveline....it explains why in a straight line they are closer then the 335 v 430 badge hints. It's only a tenth or two between them.....and that's probably the far better tyres and that crazy diff.....not the big badge power. True?

GT-F will be interesting, not going to imagine a massive evolution in performance. But with more rubber and power, I reckon it will be quicker than the GTS and still 30k cheaper. Bang for buck the Fords represent far better value as they have for some time with the Turbo engines and now the supercharged 8. GTS is a better can no doubt about it, but much like the comparison here to the M5.. Where does the value in your dollar stop.

[Plenty]

The GTS brakes were 100-0km/h in 33m or thereabouts from memory. The value to the dollar is relative to what the person wants and is willing to spend on it. The FPV GT-F cars are all sold out and rumours are they went for around $94,000 only the sentimental and devoted fan would spend that much on that car which is basically an GT R-spec with extra grunt, cos that is GTS money and you get a whole lot more with the HSV.

For me it's a shame that Ford won't release the GT in FH guise because it should get a proper send off with it's littler brother the XR8!

[macca_779]

33m hey. I can do better in my clapped out VT