FPV's 351kw GT-F more powerful than HSV's 430kw GTS, How did this happen?

[Plenty]

I think it's great that the FPV guys have something to be excited about but I won't be trading in the GTS just yet.

From the MRC, to the torque vectoring, interior not from the stone age, massive brakes and much more visual presence - the GTS has nothing to worry about.

All respect to the FPV's 5.0L, but a great engine looking for a decent car.

Totally agree mate, although i only have an R8 i would rather that then the GT-F, purely based on the whole car. Dyno numbers mean stuff all especially when the car with the lower dyno figure is actually quicker. Stepping out of my pursuit into the GenF is like night and day.

[macca_779]

Whoa no one has raced a GT-F auto yet. Bit hard to claim the GTS is quicker just yet. Even though GTS is a better car. Bragging rights are bragging rights

[Plenty]

Whoa no one has raced a GT-F auto yet. Bit hard to claim the GTS is quicker just yet. Even though GTS is a better car. Bragging rights are bragging rights

Yeah agreed Macca but they have lined up manual vs manual and the GTS was a half second faster. I love my ute and the engine is a cracker but for me it's HSV.

[Vulture]

I'll be disappointed if the GT-F turns out to be quicker but I'm sure HSV still have a special edition up their sleeves for a "GTS-F" in 2017.

[lmoengnr]

I'll be disappointed if the GT-F turns out to be quicker but I'm sure HSV still have a special edition up their sleeves for a "GTS-F" in 2017.

Who knows... Maybe an LT4!!!

[offshore]

Wouldnt matter what times they get stock. The fact is the GTS is way easy and way more potential with mods. Thats the good thing about GM they built the LSA knowing the potential would be good for the guys that modify cars they have a really good relationship in that respect.

Is the ford still without intercooler?

[Wonky]

Chev has done upgrades to an R Spec GT that easily ended up with getting on towards a lazy 450rwkw! See http://www.chevsperformance.com.au/f...-upgradetuning

[adr8]

Found some more background info on Street Machines facebook page they along with Wheels organised the shootout. https://www.facebook.com/streetmachi...ation=timeline

Comments from SM employee

So last week one of the Wheels guys popped his head over the partition and asked me to recommend a place where they could dyno a new HSV GTS and an FPV GT-F. After just doing a blower install story at VCM Performance, and being impressed with their facilities, I recommended them. Then I asked if they were going to film them.
"We weren't but I guess we should", was the answer.

So I decided to go along and video the whole thing with a view that Wheels would do "their" video and Street Machine do something different.

We drove both cars (both autos) to VCM last Thursday and put them on them on the dyno. The GTS went first and made 330rwkw, which gave the GT-F the best chance to cool down. Then the GT-F ran 311rwkw and we were impressed. The HSV made about what we expected and the Ford made more than we expected. It was about as honest and simple of a dyno test I've ever seen, and the idea was that we would both edit our vids and post them at the same time on Monday.

Then Ford got wind of the result and they weren't happy. So Wheels delayed, and we were told to hold off as well. The phone calls continued all through today as well - I can't reveal the contents of those calls, I'd probably get fired. Let's just say Ford were VERY unhappy. Ford reckons the GT-F should have made more.

Then mysteriously a rival publication went to print with very different figures today (hmm, wonder how that happened) and the decision was made to pull the trigger on our results. Then everyone lost their minds!

We know our results are real, so what does that make the other results? Consider also that Ford got tipped off about the results and for the last couple days they have done everything they can to stop these videos being shown. Then mysteriously these results pop up from a rival publication before the videos could be posted. We call shenanigans! Apparently everyone believes that an unintercooled 5-litre should make more power than an intercooled 6.2-litre.

[sjhugh]

Wouldnt matter what times they get stock. The fact is the GTS is way easy and way more potential with mods. Thats the good thing about GM they built the LSA knowing the potential would be good for the guys that modify cars they have a really good relationship in that respect.

Is the ford still without intercooler?

No doubt the GTS is quick and the better all round package but don’t underestimate the potential of that GT-F, add an intercooler and a few basic mods with a fresh tune and it’s definitely soiled undies time.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

No doubt the GTS is quick and the better all round package but don’t underestimate the potential of that GT-F, add an intercooler and a few basic mods with a fresh tune and it’s definitely soiled undies time.

Doesn't even need that.....all it'll need is the same wide sticky tyres as the GTS. The stock tyres are not great....
And I can't believe these dudes think anyone would believe a GT335 would dyno as low as 311rwkws legit....let alone a GT 351!!! Every GT under the sun has dynoed easily in the 300s. Let alone the Rspecs and now the 351GT with even more power!

I love all the comments.....'Oh but it'll smash it on the track....or with a tune'. This is all about who's the most powerfull.....which all have been thinking the GTS had that crown......espescially with a 430 badge on it!

And it's called 'transient over boost' I think. Ford claims a max power of 404 kws.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

Found some more background info on Street Machines facebook page they along with Wheels organised the shootout. https://www.facebook.com/streetmachi...ation=timeline

Comments from SM employee

So last week one of the Wheels guys popped his head over the partition and asked me to recommend a place where they could dyno a new HSV GTS and an FPV GT-F. After just doing a blower install story at VCM Performance, and being impressed with their facilities, I recommended them. Then I asked if they were going to film them.
"We weren't but I guess we should", was the answer.

So I decided to go along and video the whole thing with a view that Wheels would do "their" video and Street Machine do something different.

We drove both cars (both autos) to VCM last Thursday and put them on them on the dyno. The GTS went first and made 330rwkw, which gave the GT-F the best chance to cool down. Then the GT-F ran 311rwkw and we were impressed. The HSV made about what we expected and the Ford made more than we expected. It was about as honest and simple of a dyno test I've ever seen, and the idea was that we would both edit our vids and post them at the same time on Monday.

Then Ford got wind of the result and they weren't happy. So Wheels delayed, and we were told to hold off as well. The phone calls continued all through today as well - I can't reveal the contents of those calls, I'd probably get fired. Let's just say Ford were VERY unhappy. Ford reckons the GT-F should have made more.

Then mysteriously a rival publication went to print with very different figures today (hmm, wonder how that happened) and the decision was made to pull the trigger on our results. Then everyone lost their minds!

We know our results are real, so what does that make the other results? Consider also that Ford got tipped off about the results and for the last couple days they have done everything they can to stop these videos being shown. Then mysteriously these results pop up from a rival publication before the videos could be posted. We call shenanigans! Apparently everyone believes that an unintercooled 5-litre should make more power than an intercooled 6.2-litre.

I noticed they didn't mention the reeming they're coping about the posted videos of the first test, that show the GTS isn't tied onto the rollers tightly! Maybe that GTS.330rwkw number is not accurate either haha

[mjrandom]

I am not sure why people are getting so worked up about the rwkW figures. You would have to be living under a rock not to know that stock 335 GTs have been punching out 300+rwkW since day one. That 5L engine is sweet. The car has nothing else though. That is just my opinion of course. Ignoring the abomination that is the interior accommodation the chassis has no chance of handling 300 or 400kW so the actual number generated sitting on a dynamometer is pretty much irrelevant unless you are looking for some small solace as a Ford fan. Same goes for throwing sticky rubber on the back and blasting down the quarter mile in a nice straight ish line. If that floats your boat then great, does little for me.
Before I took delivery of my GTS 9+ months ago I tested the market and chose the GTS over an M3, a C63 and a GT. I had owned an F6 previously so I pretty much knew what to expect and the test drive did nothing to disabuse me of my expectations.
As a daily driver that does go on back roads and do some long hauls the GTS is almost everything I want from a car. Twist the dial and invoke the torque vectoring and the chassis comes alive, if you haven’t tried it you need to, this is how a big car should handle. And the brakes, well I have moved all my braking points because the GTS stops like nothing else I have driven, the brakes are magnificent.
Those few who have tweaked the engine report that the extra kW are transmitted to the road just as well as the stock amount. I am still tossing up what to do with mine and whether to go full Monty or just a tune and air intake. But either way I am confident that the GTS will remain a stable platform able to use its power and not turn into a nasty beast.
Give the GT-F credit where it is due but don’t for a second think that Ford has performed a miracle to overcome the basic shortcomings that are inherent in the car. It is a pity that FPV/Ford weren’t given the money to make it work as it should and make the interior set up work because it would have been a superb car. Whether that would have made me stray from the GTS who knows but for now I am loving my car 15,000km and counting.

[Plenty]

I noticed they didn't mention the reeming they're coping about the posted videos of the first test, that show the GTS isn't tied onto the rollers tightly! Maybe that GTS.330rwkw number is not accurate either haha

If you watch the full video it is obvious that the clip was a set up run, the full clip clearly shows it strapped down correctly. It was VE doing the test, pretty sure they know what they are doing.
It's only about the dyno result to the Ford fan club cos that is all they have to hold onto.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

If you watch the full video it is obvious that the clip was a set up run, the full clip clearly shows it strapped down correctly. It was VE doing the test, pretty sure they know what they are doing.
It's only about the dyno result to the Ford fan club cos that is all they have to hold onto.

Give me a break......they are a Holden tune house. They've done over 30 GTS dynos and many GT335s aswell......and their honest opinion was that 311 was about right....if not great. REALLY. They just lost all credibility as EVERYONE knows even 335s will dyno above that all day.....let alone a tuned 351 GTF. But that's beside the point......ford challenged this low reading......they redid the test with a hsv and fpv engineer on hand and guess what.......349rwkws just as ford said. So mud on your face wheels.....

I'm a Holden man but if the ford fans want to hold onto having the title of most powerfull car then good on them. It's only people in denial who disclaim these things or start waffling on about taking it to a track and see who's boss. Of course the GTS is by FAR the better car......were not STUPID, but it's power is overstated compared with the 351. But who didn't see that coming.....

[macca_779]

The GTS isn't overstated (well maybe by 10kw). The GT is understated