FPV's 351kw GT-F more powerful than HSV's 430kw GTS, How did this happen?

[offshore]

Yet even without the cooler and a 1.2L deficit it makes more power than the GTS. If a car can do 6 pulls on a dyno and remain below 60ºC in the manifold, its doing bloody well. Its common to see supercharged LS engines that "are" intercooled get hotter than that and won't get 6 pulls in before they start loosing power, let alone make more like the GT-F does.

Yea its a good engine. Its just not complete plus the the heads and cams are bloody hard to get more power out of it compared to chevs. Thats only from an after market perspective my mate is a full on Ford guy but even he wants to do up an LS engine because the Ford is just to hard and lack of support.

[macca_779]

Yea its a good engine. Its just not complete plus the the heads and cams are bloody hard to get more power out of it compared to chevs. Thats only from an after market perspective my mate is a full on Ford guy but even he wants to do up an LS engine because the Ford is just to hard and lack of support.

Yeah absolutely they are expensive to Mod things like cams. But they're pretty bloody good out of the box so few people bother. LSA is a better value engine to modify. But thats not for everyone.. Including the record books in this instance

[Woodchukka]

It is good to see the competition between the 2 is still there even though it seems more like the last ha rah. There is no doubt it is a great engine however the transient over boost thing is a bit of a wank really as far as I am concerned. A mine is bigger than yours but only if I tie a weight to the end and stand with slightly more weight on my left foot. The HSV knocked out full power near straight up whereas the FPV got there in the end.

[offshore]

The LSA can easily be 500kw safely no worries at all. But HSV was a bit scared of the publicity and also the 3 year warranty but even then I reckon it would be ok.

[Xjas]

. GT-F can now be officially called the most powerful Aussie production car ever made.

Not really because regardless of any magazine article the offical power output of the GT-F is 351kws and the VF GTS is 430kws.

[offshore]

Its a great car that there is no doubt but we have to not set our goals low. We can build them good in Australia. So HSV lets build the best in the next couple of years and stick it to every one else. Like you have with the GTS but better.

[macca_779]

Ls9 would be great. Or LT4. But I fear it's to late to justify the development dollars on

[offshore]

Ls9 would be great. Or LT4. But I fear it's to late to justify the development dollars on

LS9 would be harder cause of dry sump etc. LTA would be interesting for a start out of the C7 Z06 because there is a modded version coming out after that with ZR1 so that would be the last upgrade in 2017 maybe.

[offshore]

The LT4 GTS would have say 650hp up from 580hp a useful upgrade. And the final version would be 700+hp sounds ok.

[sjhugh]

The XR8 will be killer value if good power is your thing and you don’t want to risk going down the modded route.

Reminds me of the old days when you could go into the Holden dealer and order just the engine and a manual trans thanks and drive out with a bare boned V8 version of the old Kingswood or Belmont.

Nothing too fancy but it gets the job done.

[offshore]

That reminds me one of the next HSV cars could be a striped down car. Like the Camaro in the US

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance...-upgrades.html

[sjhugh]

That reminds me one of the next HSV cars could be a striped down car. Like the Camaro in the US

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance...-upgrades.html

I very much doubt that will ever be on sale here but the XR8 definitely will be.

[macca_779]

I very much doubt that will ever be on sale here but the XR8 definitely will be.

Yeah that's it. We can procrastinate about what HSV may, may not and probably won't do. But what Ford is doing is at least being advertised and confirmed. We know XR8 is coming. We know Mustang is coming. Holden by all accounts has only confirmed gutless shitters post 2017 thus far. Everything else re camaro or engine upgrades for VF is still speculation, regardless how much we want it

[jc_sv8]

I don't get it.

One is 351KW and the other is 430KW.
One pulls a max of 343.3KW on a happier dyno yet they says it it always has 351KW + up to 15% of fairy dust transient overboost.
One pulls a max of 322.1KW and has a 430KW badge.

So one only looses 3% power through the drivetrain yet the other one looses around 25%.

Sounds to me like they should put the LSA in the Falcon and have around 420KW on the dyno...

I'd like to see the graphs to see where the power is made, and can't wait for a track test to see how each perform down the 1/4 and around 1 lap of Phillip Island.

[offshore]

I very much doubt that will ever be on sale here but the XR8 definitely will be.

No I meant a Commodore striped down. Why not? Plenty of racing fans here and probably a surplus of parts at the end of the run. So give is us a striped down race car for drags etc.