FPV's 351kw GT-F more powerful than HSV's 430kw GTS, How did this happen?

[ls2 cruiser]

I have seen a video where the GTS wins the 1/4 mile race against the GTF. Is that all bull is it?

[macca_779]

I have seen a video where the GTS wins the 1/4 mile race against the GTF. Is that all bull is it?

Yeah actually as the GT-F was manual and ran about 6 tenths slower than what a normal auto GT does

[planetdavo]

They are BOTH good value for the performance. If straightline speed floats your boat, one has more power and is usually a bit faster. The other that is usually a little bit slower seems to have an element on here that is determined to push the story the other way...IF the planets all align on the day. The law of diminishing returns usually kicks in at some point, or traction becomes the issue, or (lack of?) driver talent does. Or 20 other variables. Whatever.
If you own either, be happy.

[TuffR8]

Yeah actually as the GT-F was manual and ran about 6 tenths slower than what a normal auto GT does

I've seen manual v auto, wet track and dry track auto v auto, you name it. I've not seen a GTS rolled by a GTF yet.. Even where the GT has gotten the jump off the line the GTS has pulled it in and gone past. End of the day technology or not 6.2L v 5L tells the story I suppose (torque wise).

That being said I actually like the Ford and they are decent value for the money. But with all the gear in the GTS they really are on different playing fields.

[Plenty]

Latest and the very last Wheels mag comparo.

FPV GT-F 6-speed auto, get's the jump on the sprint to between 40-60km/h
0-100km/h 4.7sec
1/4 12.7 @ 186.7km/h

HSV GTS 6-speed manual, from somewhere between 40-60km/h catches and pulls away and increases it's lead the longer it goes on.
0-100km/h 4.5
1/4 12.6 @ 190.6km/h

[macca_779]

Gee these guys really can't drive. Be interesting to see what the punters get out of them

[ls2 cruiser]

Looks like my landcruiser ute will give them a run at those times. lol I need traction control though

[Plenty]

Gee these guys really can't drive. Be interesting to see what the punters get out of them

Well it is done with a GPS i suppose, always seems to be a couple of tenths of the pace. It was also done at You Yangs so probably not somewhere conducive to quick sprint times.

[Plenty]

Looks like my landcruiser ute will give them a run at those times. lol I need traction control though

How does it go around a track though? lol

[adr8]

At least GTS owners won't have to worry about changing diff bushes, input shafts and tailshafts like GT owners have had to. Here are some pics of failed tailshafts I got from AFF, which GT owners now refer to as "tuna can tailshafts".

[ls2 cruiser]

Plenty, it goes straight ahead only especially when the rear diff is locked lol It also has a lot of trouble stopping lol

I also have a stock ford NA XR6 and when I rust proofed it I noticed the whole car is made from very thin metal. It is a very nice car to drive though and the ZF 6 speed is a good thing. It also handles very well for a ford lol



That tailshaft is nowhere near big enough. They should be running a 4" like the cruiser .

[jc_sv8]

When did they start using tailshafts from XW's? That rusty old piece of rubbish looks 40 years old.

[whitels1ss]

At least GTS owners won't have to worry about changing diff bushes, input shafts and tailshafts like GT owners have had to. Here are some pics of failed tailshafts I got from AFF, which GT owners now refer to as "tuna can tailshafts".

I think I have seen that picture before (or another very similar) & the owner

did in fact confirm that the rusty looking shaft came out of his 2011 GT-P.

In the case I am thinking about the photo was taken around 5 minutes after the shaft twisted, it looks like it had been out in the weather for years

[JimmyXR6T04]

LOL... can't believe this thread is still going, so i might as well keep adding... Realistically, in the REAL world, anyone who owns either of these cars is going to have enough power. Not me though, and probably not most on here. We like to mod. That said, either car modded will make either owner happy. I love my GT, apart from the handling (which i have now fixed), and the tuna can tailshaft (that i will fix), the thing goes like a rocket. Looking forward to the next stage of mods.

Either car is fast enough for the street, and there would be bugger all between them. When modded, it would be hard to pick which has a touch more power, both will require careful input from the right foot, anything enthusiastic will result in wheel spin, trust me! For those lucky enough to do track work? I'm tipping they'd have a dedicated car for that anyway. For the odd track day, the GTS is no doubt the better value, but then again, with some coilovers, intercooler and mods, the GT is bloody good fun.

Both are bloody brilliant for what they are, and what they cost. Who gives a toss which one is a touch more powerful, or a touch faster. It appears as though the majority of people who really seem to care/argue, are the people who don't own either! It all sounds so damn petty.

[Pickles]

I've ben following this thread for a while, and not being particularly mechanically minded, I have to say I don't know much/understand about stuff like transient overboost etc etc, & other terms used in the thread. All I know is that when I "put the pedal to the metal", I want that "power" to be there.
What I would say though, is that if I was a GTF owner, I'd be pretty happy with these results.
It's also been said that in view of the "figures" produced, then maybe HSV have "fudged"/ overstated the LSA's power. That would not be correct, as this is GM's FWKW power for this engine in the configuration installed by HSV. For a 5L engine to, on occasions, produce more power, just shows how good the Ford engine is.
I must admit too, that I was surprised at the results,..I thought the LSA would be well in front!
I still think that the GTS is the better engineered car, better interior too. But I don't think that is the focus of this particular thread?,.....I think it's about the power/dyno figures & accuracy of same?
I haven't driven either car, so can't say how different they are, but if this is about engines, there doesn't appear to be much in it, even though the Ford engine is giving away 1.2L.
Pickles.