Mustang fails NSW Police Testing

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I don't think the cops really need any performance vehicles these days as they're prohibited on hi speed chases, we already have an untold amount of combination red/speed cameras at notorious intersections too. Not to mentioned unmarked contractors performing speed checks. After all any sort of vehicle would suffice!

V6 Commos here in SA, no V8's for as long as I can remember. Like you say, the day of high speed chases have gone the way of the dodo.

Edit: I reckon a good mix of robustness, reliability and dynamics would be good criteria. Shit, just described VF V6 Commo lol.

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1. 2 door isn't a problem. HWP in NSW don't usually transport crooks. thats what general duties cage trucks are for. There's nothing wrong with using the front passenger seat anyway. For example my son was taken to the local hospital 50 odd kms away for blood and urine tests after the fatal crash he was involved in back in 2014 and he rode in the front passenger seat of an unmarked xr6T HWP car.
2.Supply wouldn't be an issue.Police orders would have been pushed through. we aren't talking thousands of cars for the HWP at one time.

Supply was going to be an issue , that's from Ford (I have inside knowledge)

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Interesting debate.

I concede the HWP do need a 'sort of' performance vehicle. In reality the current SS's and XR6 T are stuffed so full of crap they are comparatively slow anyway. Im predicting the Volvo will get the nod.

Here is a bit of a history lesson and the only reason NSW Police have V8's now. Back in the early 1990's, NSW Police stopped putting in orders for V8's (HWP) saying the V6's were good enough and way cheaper. Along comes Police Minister Ted Pickering who ordered a V8 VN for his staff car. This caused a political sh!t fight in that HWP were not allowed to have V8's yet the Police Minister had one. Nek minute....V8;s came back for HWP!

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Here's a link to the Goulburn Police testing area (just in case anyone wants to see what their track looks like...)
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place...0609b4904427d0



Below are a couple of quotes from another forum which I have been reading...

"Ford warns you specifically to never even think of trying to fit a towbar or attempt towing with the Mustang...

Kind of speaks to how durable they are..."

& another posted...


"The only reason the Mustang has a strong following is because Ford is trading on the nameplate's success from the 1960's.
Nameplate aside, the vehicle itself is inferior to the current local offerings in just about every way. It is nothing more than a "look at me" car. All style and no substance.
Mustang is supposed to be the performance flagship, yet we are going backwards - From supercharged V8's and turbo 6's to a slower and less powerful n/a V8 in a vehicle that cannot survive a couple of laps around a track.
If this is progress then I'm really dreading the future"



Also...
a fully kitted out Highway Patrol car would weigh heaps more than a normal private car but
at the end of the day 306kW @ 6500rpm / 530Nm @ 4250rpm at the flywheel in a large car (1709kg)
like the Mustang GT does not exactly cut it for exhilarating performance in this day & age IMHO.

http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...POT-ITM-429117

A) Why would you buy a Mustang for a tow vehicle? seriously

B) Inferior in every way yet quicker 0-100 and over the Quartermile than the new 6.2L VFII ? all from a smaller motor and only 40kg lighter? seems superior in performance? Excellent Trim quality it is what it is but for the price it represents awesome bfyb.

I'm not saying a Falcon or Commodore doesn't make a sh1t load more sense as a cop car though....A Mustang is not a cop car plain and simple.

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A) Why would you buy a Mustang for a tow vehicle? seriously

B) Inferior in every way yet quicker 0-100 and over the Quartermile than the new 6.2L VFII ? all from a smaller motor and only 40kg lighter? seems superior in performance? Excellent Trim quality it is what it is but for the price it represents awesome bfyb.

I'm not saying a Falcon or Commodore doesn't make a sh1t load more sense as a cop car though....A Mustang is not a cop car plain and simple.

A) The fact the Mustang can't tow just reflects it's structural durability IMHO.

B) (As I posted & said above, these were some direct quotes from a Ford Forum)

Yeah sure, bog stock & untuned the Mustang is very slightly quicker in acceleration over the quarter mile
but I think there is a heap more to get out of the Commodore with tunes & mods than there would with the Mustang!

Australian Police have used many 2 door cars in the past including 2 door Falcons, Valiant Chargers & Holden 2 door Monaro,
Mini Coopers, even some other imported cars so why not use a Mustang.

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A) The fact the Mustang can't tow just reflects it's structural durability IMHO.

I'm not sure where the story that Mustang can't tow anything came from. Granted 450kg's isn't going to be useful for anything other than the odd dump run with a box trailer on the back, but it's not like it has a towing capacity of Zero. see the guide below:

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/...tang_sep28.pdf

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A) The fact the Mustang can't tow just reflects it's structural durability IMHO.

B) (As I posted & said above, these were some direct quotes from a Ford Forum)

Yeah sure, bog stock & untuned the Mustang is very slightly quicker in acceleration over the quarter mile
but I think there is a heap more to get out of the Commodore with tunes & mods than there would with the Mustang!

Australian Police have used many 2 door cars in the past including 2 door Falcons, Valiant Chargers & Holden 2 door Monaro,
Mini Coopers, even some other imported cars so why not use a Mustang.

Tuned the Mustangs are making 340fwkw's (tune only) extractors, full exhaust air intake etc 360fwkw, Blown cars are seeing 700-800rwhp stock motors no issues no auto issues etc...I follow one thats a twin turbo on a stock motor running 8's making 1460rwhp no bangs yet...

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R8 HSV is around the same price as the Mustang GT & it's making 340 untuned. SS is comparable price to poverty pack Mustang afaik... Then there's the LSA .

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I agree the ford has a great little 5L engine with good numbers. But any punters must be wary of these phaser cams are not always exactly reliable nor cheap to sort. especially so when there is no warranty! I know what engine I prefer

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R8 HSV is around the same price as the Mustang GT & it's making 340 untuned. SS is comparable price to poverty pack Mustang afaik... Then there's the LSA .

The Mustang is a nice looking car but nothing to write home about in terms of the overall performance.

We're heading to the States in a couple of months and discovered you can hire a Mustang for less than a Prius. We gave both a miss and opted for a Dodge Challenger... Sadly not the fire breathing Hellcat variety

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R8 HSV is around the same price as the Mustang GT & it's making 340 untuned. SS is comparable price to poverty pack Mustang afaik... Then there's the LSA .

If a R8 HSV is 63k Drive away as my auto GT was then I agree....Not sure if a new R8 is though? When I was looking the R8 (non LSA) was 10k more...10k is a lot of Mustang Mods.

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Not certain on exact retail figures mate but I reckon you should be able to get into a 340kw Clubby for around the same money as your Mustang GT. The SS is much cheaper.

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Not certain on exact retail figures mate but I reckon you should be able to get into a 340kw Clubby for around the same money as your Mustang GT. The SS is much cheaper.

I just got off Carsales.com
VF 2016 R8 (non LSA) 74k, 80k for LSA
VF SSV Redline 66k (I'm Currently in a VF SSV Redline)
MY GT auto Mustang 63k

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Yeah I was also looking & searched NEW R8's
There are a few advertised for a little bit more than I thought but not much.

The cheapest one is advertised for $65,000 drive away, but I am pretty certain there could be a couple more dollars negotiation.

http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/det...3234221/?Cr=13

These are listed as brand new cars, in stock, ready to go today.

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MY GT auto Mustang 63k

Gotta say they do look absolutely fantastic.

Saw 3 of them on the road this afternoon, one was parked getting heaps of looks & attention.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy yours mate.