... 2018 Commodore replacement, NO V8 or turbo :(

[BLACK 346]

Could this be the death of Holden? And what of HSV, where do they go from here? Maybe they can compete against Toyota TuRD Orion

[macca_779]

Could this be the death of Holden? And what of HSV, where do they go from here? Maybe they can compete against Toyota TuRD Orion

HSV (Walkinshaw Group) has already announced a deal with Tata motors and New Age Caravans. So that's where they are heading. Caravans take up a lot of space. New factory will help them there

http://performancedrive.com.au/hsv-m...aw-lease-2117/

[jc_sv8]

It will be the death of Holden as we know it. They will be come importers only so no need to continue the Holden name as it carries no weight going forward.
Might as well rename it GM and carry a global brand name as there will be nothing Holden about it.

[LSX-438]

Agree.

Face it, no V8 and FWD. why would anyone with an ounce of motoring enthusiasm buy it--

only to fetch the groceries, ans then it's a big "maybe".

Sad news.

[Woodchukka]

Wife owned a TL Magna and it was a great car with nice features drove well but completely uninspiring and chewed front tyres quite quickly. A FWD Commodore will kill the name for me.

[Goggles]

Change is hard for anyone. We have all been used to large cars from Holden being rear wheel drive and having a V8 engine as an option, at least from the late 60s. However, the world has changed such that most people now buy cars just to get from A to B, rather than for the joy of driving. Holden is reacting to this by rebadging an Insignia and selling a family car that may have heaps of technology, but is unlikely to invoke passion like the current and past Commodores.

As far as I am concerned, the new Commodore is not a direct replacement for my current VF Redline and never will be. It might have come close if there was a V6 turbo that produced the same or more power as the L77 in my Redline. There is no value to me to get a lower powered engine, even if the car weighs significantly less.

The only way Australia would have got a direct replacement for the current Commodore, is if GM had the balls to produce a fullsize rear wheel drive sedan for the world market. there is nothing obvious on the horizon, so Australia is stuck with yet another whitegoods on wheels car.

No matter what the marketing spin says, Holden has made two mistakes - keeping the Commodore name and releasing details on the anniversary of the launch of the VB Commodore. Talk about alienating your current loyal customers. In 2020 when the loan on my current Redline finishes, I doubt that I will be considering buying a new Commodore.

[Angeldust]

I think it will go the way of the Epica and the Malibu.... I hope it does...

[SASLS1]

The 2.0L Turbo could be interesting, but only in FWD in the 2018 Commodore branded Insignia...

It's used in a broad range of GM vehicles.

Link...

[Smitty]

The 2.0L Turbo could be interesting, but only in FWD in the 2018 Commodore branded Insignia...

It's used in a broad range of GM vehicles.

Link...

yawn... might pull the top off the pie (remembering this is NOT going into a 1200kg car like the old VBs etc were)

[Smashfist]

might pull the top off the pie

Not with 295 ft/lb of torque it's not.

[falcom]

yawn... might pull the top off the pie (remembering this is NOT going into a 1200kg car like the old VBs etc were)

Requires Premium fuel which would make it more expensive to run

[Woodchukka]

For me (and for the people on this forum) the Commodore is essentially dead. The branding of a FWD car a Commodore is a worse plan than the starfire 4. We will have to search the market for another car to fill the gap.

[SASLS1]

yawn... might pull the top off the pie (remembering this is NOT going into a 1200kg car like the old VBs etc were)

The 2.0L Turbo has got more torque than the AWD V6...hence why I said it "could be interesting", but the FWD only puts the nail straight in the coffin...

I'm never going to buy a FWD car ever, plus it just looks like another boring Nondescript Toyota camry, what's the point, there is none...

IMO they shouldn't be calling it a Commodore either, that is just laughable...

[mjrandom]

Earlier this year when the GTS was in hospital for a couple of days I grabbed an Insignia VXR as a loan car. I was looking to downsize and kind of hoped that with HSV doing their magic the next Insignia (whatever it was called) would be a good thing. I really tried to like it. I really did.

It was a let down on so many levels that I couldn't see how the next generation could be a good thing. The driveline does not deliver and the predominately fwd bias kills it. As someone else posted there are a few cars like that on the market which are quite quick but on a decent test drive the same shortcomings are evident. I couldn't live with something that can't overcome that.

So back in March I made my decision to leave Holden/HSV late this year. I've had three HSV's in a row... E series and Gen F. All good cars and the GTS the best car I have ever had. Just too big now and as a daily driver the running costs are heinous, at least the way I drive...

Anyway the GTS has now gone and the replacement is on the docks awaiting customs and delivery.

I hope that the new Insignia is a totally different car but somehow I doubt it.

Sad really.

[ralcool]

They should keep calling it the Insignia until they get serious and find a real platform to use again. It'll never get built here

However they built Camaros in Oshawa,Canada using our VE platform and engineers to build that. We didn't receive a Monaro as a thank you.
Notice a couple VE utes around wearing Camaros fronts... its all possible using GM Lego parts.

Now the new platform (Alpha) to build their latest generation... ala what we should have... since it ALSO carries the ATS/CTS... wow how about that.

Would it be churlish to consider the (apparently) love child Insignia V6 AWD Wagon, a Captiva in a new dress? Same engine & driveline basically.

Sigh. So, we've missed out on two possible Monaros now (Zeta and Alpha), and the latest RWD V8 sedan.

At least it seems without another emissions major update, Holden will continue build engines for other makers for at least a few more years.

My 2c