The truth about EV's

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I saw that article. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. I think someone is being stooged and I think it may be the Scottish journalist... Either way, a Tesla battery for a model 3 is about $16k AUD. I can't see why a Y would be much more. Still crazy you say? Well, it's the equivalent of a whole new engine in a petrol car. Want to price up a new engine for a BMW or Mercedes and see how it compares? I was told a $28k AUD for a 3 series. Heck, a CVT gearbox replacement on a 5 year old X-Trail through your local Nissan dealer is apparently over $12k. You need to compare apples with apples. The Tesla certainly has a much longer battery warranty than BMW has on its engines or Nissan on its gearboxes...

When is the last time you had to do a change out the entire engine in your car? I can't say I ever have. Our scootabout 2009 118TSI Golf whilst it has had a few issues over the years is still going strong after 190k (touch wood lol). My ute still on engine from 22 years ago, still going strong. Only car that I have ever had to rebuild was my 1977 318 Charger, but I did absolutely have no mechanical sympathy for that poor thing and it only really needed new rings and bearings, so not a total engine replacement

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... there has been a bit of an issue with EVs since they came out and really not one spoken about until now.

I have known about this for 12 months from a contact at Pirelli in Sydney and now the Pirelli Aust Technical
Manager has outed it, EVs and tyres are not good buddies

why so?
Teslas have 700nm of torque and eat tyres, most EVs accelerate very quickly and so tyre life is short

People are trying to fit 'normal' tyres to EVs to replace the worn out originals .. not a match made in heaven

I won't post the article here as it is long, way long... but worth the read
here is the link

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/gener...-17/91841.html

Last time I was in Bob Jane they were on the phone trying to source tyres for a blokes Tesla, they were not having much luck at all.

[jc_sv8]

When is the last time you had to do a change out the entire engine in your car?

1989 when I swapped my 138 for a 186 in my LC Torana.

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1989 when I swapped my 138 for a 186 in my LC Torana.

I assume because you wanted to not because you had to? A mate of mine did similar with this LJ, but he went for a 5 litre V8, what a weapon that was.

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No the poor old 138 was nearly dead so it was a “have to” job.
For $200 the 186 was a good buy.

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No the poor old 138 was nearly dead so it was a “have to” job.
For $200 the 186 was a good buy.

Fair enough, drawing a long bow comparing a second hand engine swap to having to get the batteries changed out in an electric car, surely you wont dispute that lol. I reckon you could have the motors swapped in an LC in half a day including beers for lunch yeah? And you ain't going to be picking up any good buy replacement batteries for your EV off Gumtree.

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Agreed! $200 will get you a 10 pack of AAA at Bunnings these days!

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When is the last time you had to do a change out the entire engine in your car? I can't say I ever have. Our scootabout 2009 118TSI Golf whilst it has had a few issues over the years is still going strong after 190k (touch wood lol). My ute still on engine from 22 years ago, still going strong. Only car that I have ever had to rebuild was my 1977 318 Charger, but I did absolutely have no mechanical sympathy for that poor thing and it only really needed new rings and bearings, so not a total engine replacement

I had 3 engines (replacements were under warranty) in my VX II SS before I sold it with about 75,000 KMs on it. I wasn't alone either.

Im aware Mazda has recently been swapping out engines across their range on the hush too. Not a few, big numbers I was told. So, it certainly happens.

I'll give you a hint, if Tesla was replacing batteries on mass , you would hear about it. Anything goes wrong with an electric car and everyone wants to talk about it...

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I had 3 engines (replacements were under warranty) in my VX II SS before I sold it with about 75,000 KMs on it. I wasn't alone either.

Im aware Mazda has recently been swapping out engines across their range on the hush too. Not a few, big numbers I was told. So, it certainly happens.

I'll give you a hint, if Tesla was replacing batteries on mass , you would hear about it. Anything goes wrong with an electric car and everyone wants to talk about it...

Yeah well aware that early LS1's had issues for some unlucky owners, I was fortunate enough to get a bullet proof early LS1 VT2 back in the day, and now another LS1 that seems to be fine, touch wood.
Have neither seen nor heard anything about the Mazda thing, got any links to that? Would be interested as they have a pretty solid reputation for reliability as far as I know. Ours was certainly trouble free for the 7 years we owned it.
As for Tesla replacing batteries en masse, we are not talking about replacing batteries now, we are talking in a couple of years when like most batteries they slowly decline until they become unable to hold a charge. That is when the EV will become an expensive liability to the current owner and not worth shitpence. Maybe I am wrong and batteries will massively improve over the next couple of years to the point where you can charge the EV in 3 minutes and drive it 800-1000km before next charge, you know like some petrol cars

[Red CV8 R]

Yeah well aware that early LS1's had issues for some unlucky owners, I was fortunate enough to get a bullet proof early LS1 VT2 back in the day, and now another LS1 that seems to be fine, touch wood.
Have neither seen nor heard anything about the Mazda thing, got any links to that? Would be interested as they have a pretty solid reputation for reliability as far as I know. Ours was certainly trouble free for the 7 years we owned it.
As for Tesla replacing batteries en masse, we are not talking about replacing batteries now, we are talking in a couple of years when like most batteries they slowly decline until they become unable to hold a charge. That is when the EV will become an expensive liability to the current owner and not worth shitpence. Maybe I am wrong and batteries will massively improve over the next couple of years to the point where you can charge the EV in 3 minutes and drive it 800-1000km before next charge, you know like some petrol cars

I was not so lucky, I had a shocking run with my VXII SS. I was ready to dump the brand altogether. Gave Holden another shot and my Monaro has been a brilliant car. However, the point is, engines do get replaced and in large numbers. It was a funny question for you to ask on an LS1 forum of all places

Nope, I have no links for the Mazda issue, as I said, it was on the hush apparently. I was told by a CX5 owner. There may be something online if you look.

On the cheaper EVs, yep, I am sure battery life may be an issue. However, for a Tesla, the battery is meant to last the life of the vehicle. Battery warranty is 8 years, however the expected life is meant to be as long as 37 years. Will that be true? We don't know yet.

You can fast charge a Tesla in 15 minutes for 320 kms right now, it's no where near the issue people make out. Yep, it will get better over time too, especially with solid state batteries. 1000 KMs appears to be possible. But seriously, for 95% of city / suburban people's actual use, what we have now is incredibly useable. If it wasn't, they wouldn't sell so many of these cars.

However, I'm not trying to convert anyone. People can buy what they want. I don't care, but I can only comment on things that I am aware of. Even if it's unpopular

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I should add, I'm certainly no Tesla Fan Boi. They do many rubbish things (for example the stupid yoke steering wheel!). They're far from perfect cars and Elon Musk is a complete tool in many ways. However, I really admire what the Tesla engineers have developed and produced.

It's pretty amazing when you think about the fact that electric was nearly nowhere a decade ago. The technology is not fully developed, but it's pretty amazing already. Tesla are still so far ahead in most ways. When you experience it, you can really appreciate how much these cars offer. It's not for everyone, and it's not a cheap car.

As I always say, if you don't need a new car, keeping your old car is more environmentally friendly! Still, if anyone thinks they may like an electric car, I wouldn't hesitate to grab a test drive, they can be amazing and cost effective to own. Especially if you have home charging.

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I was not so lucky, I had a shocking run with my VXII SS. I was ready to dump the brand altogether. Gave Holden another shot and my Monaro has been a brilliant car. However, the point is, engines do get replaced and in large numbers. It was a funny question for you to ask on an LS1 forum of all places

Nope, I have no links for the Mazda issue, as I said, it was on the hush apparently. I was told by a CX5 owner. There may be something online if you look.

On the cheaper EVs, yep, I am sure battery life may be an issue. However, for a Tesla, the battery is meant to last the life of the vehicle. Battery warranty is 8 years, however the expected life is meant to be as long as 37 years. Will that be true? We don't know yet.

You can fast charge a Tesla in 15 minutes for 320 kms right now, it's no where near the issue people make out. Yep, it will get better over time too, especially with solid state batteries. 1000 KMs appears to be possible. But seriously, for 95% of city / suburban people's actual use, what we have now is incredibly useable. If it wasn't, they wouldn't sell so many of these cars.

However, I'm not trying to convert anyone. People can buy what they want. I don't care, but I can only comment on things that I am aware of. Even if it's unpopular

Which question was funny to ask? I was big in the LS1 scene back in the day and was a member of the NT HSV and Holden club whilst posted there. I can only go off my experience with these cars and what other owners have told me face to face, so for me other than internet noise I have never seen a troublesome LS face to face I am sorry about your
experience though and glad that your Monaro has been well behaved.
As for the Mazda thing, once again I hate this he said she said rumour stuff. Bob told Pete who told Fred's dog that Mazda are replacing engines like you would not believe. Call me a sceptic, but I need some sore of proof prior to jumping up and down.
And I can see from your posts that you are no fan boy, neither am I for the other side. If these electric vehicles start to improve I may one day consider buying one as a daily commute as a city/grocery getter. I do like new tech and happily embrace it. I will however still need to have my fix of obnoxious loud and smelly ICE vehicle

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Which question was funny to ask? I was big in the LS1 scene back in the day and was a member of the NT HSV and Holden club whilst posted there. I can only go off my experience with these cars and what other owners have told me face to face, so for me other than internet noise I have never seen a troublesome LS face to face I am sorry about your
experience though and glad that your Monaro has been well behaved.
As for the Mazda thing, once again I hate this he said she said rumour stuff. Bob told Pete who told Fred's dog that Mazda are replacing engines like you would not believe. Call me a sceptic, but I need some sore of proof prior to jumping up and down.
And I can see from your posts that you are no fan boy, neither am I for the other side. If these electric vehicles start to improve I may one day consider buying one as a daily commute as a city/grocery getter. I do like new tech and happily embrace it. I will however still need to have my fix of obnoxious loud and smelly ICE vehicle

Yup, the LS1 question. Huge numbers of these engines were replaced in the VT-VY days. I suspect that 2004 was the turning point. This is when we received the updated LS1 with more LS6 bits. It appears to be a very solid design.

I must say, I'm very surprised that you haven't ever seen a troublesome LS1! There's even plenty of historical posts on this forum about the issues. I had my first rebuild for excessive oil usage and piston slap, plus my first replacement engine done at one dealership (Hunter Holden St Leonards) and they were doing multiple cars at the same time as mine. The second engine was fitted by another dealership (Sutton's Holden in Waitara), and they were also completing multiple engine replacements at the same time as my car. They had both been doing this for a long time. Although, Sutton's indicated to me that some people were a bit oblivious to the issues, and never requested anything be done. Many second hand buyers may never realise the work that was done.

That's fine about Mazda, understand. I trusted what this person told me, as they are a long term Mazda buyer. No reason to lie. They weren't upset, because Mazda was very accommodating, and offered a no fuss resolution of the issue. They were positive about their experience. Complete opposite of how many manufacturers react to these issues.

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That's fine about Mazda, understand. I trusted what this person told me, as they are a long term Mazda buyer. No reason to lie. They weren't upset, because Mazda was very accommodating, and offered a no fuss resolution of the issue. They were positive about their experience. Complete opposite of how many manufacturers react to these issues.

Oh, if it matters, I think it was the diesel rather than the petrol Mazda engines (I wasn't hanging off every word, it was just car chat, lol). I know diesels are not as reliable as the old days, but he suggested that this was quite wide spread as mentioned.

[whitels1ss]

We have had 8 petrol Mazda 3 & 6's in our family,

never had a problem with any of the engines over probably 400,000kms.