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Quote Originally Posted by Plenty View Post

I was thinking about this issue today while driving the Senator. It's a great car but I wonder how good it could be if it was lighter. 30-60kg is going to do very little for handling unless it is going to reduce unsprung weight via suspension components etc. The HSVs really need 100-200kg taken out of them at least! How that can be done in an affordable manner I do not know.
We have a E3 Senator also and yes it is and feels heavy . . . but it will never be 100kg lighter unfortunately - heck, I only have to take a passenger and there is another 90kg . . . so the answer is efficiency (torque) and the LSA as used as a production install in the Caddy CTSV would sort it

We sorted our Senator by fitting a Harrop Stealth that took it from 249RWKW to 402 RWKW . . . . which is more than it needs and thats with the stock HSV 2 1/4" Bimodals out the back . . . so GM have the answers and if a low volume mob like FPV can do it . . . at the right money in a "Cottage Industry" type of Build . . . well HSV can get them out of GM Powertrain for Tuppence and a bit!!! . . . and HSV is back on the money . . . its a start. . .

But I still think refferring back to my OP . . . HSV are being too bloody greedy and are trying to build too many cars and we the punter will ultimately suffer the consequence of that with poor values . . . the only thing that has retained any real value over the past couple of years is the 29th Anniv Maloo - Cos the numbers were small (100) . . . HSV need to stop being greedy to take the brand forward PLUS move the product back in front of the Market . . in ALL facets . . . Looks - Power - Trans - Value - Resale etc etc