VE SS-V GEN4 Engine OIL- Which is best?!

[chocco]

Hi All,

Currently have a VE SSV Manual wagon its only going to do about 8-10k a year, but I only started investigating oils and filters as I am on the look out for a VZ MY06 Cross8 6ltr for towing and wanted to make sure I was putting the right oil in, but after reading this thread and others from O/S, going to give the current Mobil 1 the flick and give a 10W 60 a go. In my travels thru the WWW I have decided to go with the Mobil 1 EP Filter which I can get for $26.00, but the oil I am still undecided on, not the 10W 60, just the brand, so I have taken some snapshots and pasted them below, please feel free to make any comments, they are all welcome both for and against.

Cheers

PS - I don't have enough posts so I cannot put the links in.

Mobil 1 EP 10W 60


Viscosity, cSt (ASTM D445)
@ 40º C 152.7
@ 100º C 22.7
Viscosity Index 178
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874) 1.4
Phosphorous, wt% (ASTM D4951) 0.13
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92) 234
Density @15.6 ºC g/ml (ASTM D4052) 0.86
Total Base Number (ASTM D2896) 11.8
MRV at -30 ºC, cP (ASTM D4684) 25,762
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150 ºC (ASTM D4683) 5.7




Redline 10W 60


TYPICAL PROPERTIES

API Service Class SM/SL/SG/CF
SAE Viscosity Grade (Motor Oil) 10W60
Vis @ 100°C, cSt 25.5
Vis @ 40°C, cSt 173
Viscosity Index 182
CCS Viscosity, Poise, @*C 65@-25
Pour Point, °C -45
Pour Point, °F -49
Flash Point, °C 257
Flash Point, °F 495
NOACK Evaporation Loss,1hr @ 482°F (250°C), % 6
HTHS Vis, cP @150°C, ASTM D4741 6.7



Castrol Edge 10W 60


SAE
Viscosity
Grade
KV @ 100 0C (cSt) 24.0
KV @ 40C (cSt) 168.0
CCS @ -25 0C (cP) 6000
High Temp.High Shear Viscosity 5.3
Pour Point (0C) -36
Base Number, mgK)H/g 10.9

Flash Point, °C 257
Flash Point, °F 495
NOACK Evaporation Loss,1hr @ 482°F (250°C), % 6
HTHS Vis, cP @150°C, ASTM D4741 6.7



Nulon 10W 60



Typical Characteristics
SAE Viscosity Grade 10W-60
KV @ 100°C (cSt) 24.50
KV @ 40°C (cSt) 170.0
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 175
Density @ 15°C kg/L 0.8535
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 7.2
Apparent Viscosity @ -25C, ASTM D5293 5200
Pour Point, °C, ASTM D 97 -27
Phosphorus Maximum % 0.098

[HEXEM]

Mate,

After spending hundreds of dollar on expensive fully synthetic oils and 2 engines later. I am just now using the holden supplied semi syn (ACdelco 10w30 premium semi-syn). The ACdelco oil is supplied my Fuchs.

I ran the full mineral oil for the last 7,000k on the new motor and it was changed over today to the semi syn 10w30. Research I have done (calling engine builders, performance and the like - Nationally) All pretty much say use a semi-syn for push-rod engines with hydraulic lifters. Run a 10w30 or 10w40. None recommended any thing heavier for normal driving.

Unless you plan to do some heavy driving (track days, drags etc) keep with the basic, save your money and change the oil regulary (I had mine done every 7,000klm).

But its completely up to you. If there is no issues with the motor you can pretty much run any oil.

[gavlotic]

not a fan of that AC delco fill.
my wife's VXSS has had nothing but the Gm labeled 10w30 that was the 'Fuch' rebadged stuff - tried a fill of that Acdelco stuff when it first came out and first time we actually heard it do some ls1 lifter rattle. For some it would sound like hardly anything. But for those that know this car it's one of the quietest examples I've come accross. If you are going a factory spec thin oil go something other than the Ac delco imho.

cheers,

Gav

[SLugg]

ive always run ULX 10-40 car has done 70k no issues

[One tonner]

I asked my dealer this question today on our VE 2 SSV, as I intend to change the oil every 7K

Responce was:

The oils that we use is Castrol.

You have three choices of oils that is

Magnatec 10W30

Castrol Edge 0W40, This is the preferred oil, ( I dont know why sorry guys)

Castrol Edge Sport 5W30

[DuaneDibbley]

All this oil change/weight talk has me a bit dubious of my VE2 SSV oil...

From what I can tell from the manual it's not actually due for a change until the 12mo/12,000km service!? That just seems a little strange to me... If it's in the manual then surely it's 'good enough' but can I be doing it better? Car does shortish trips (10km round usually) and has nearly 9,000km on it.

Should I look at doing a change myself now or waiting till the next service? It's fully stock.

[chocco]

The reason I started lnvestigating was the upcoming Cross 8 and as it is going to be towing a 2 ton caravan and in Summer as well I wanted to make sure that the oil was going to be the right one for the job.

I have always used Mobil 1 and always changed my oil every 5000km, but as DuaneDibbley said "can I be doing better".

So my 10,000km is coimg up in about 200kmin the SSV I have the Mobil 1 EP Oil filter but there are alot of 10W 60 oils out there including Mobil 1 and I am quite sure that the Castrol Edge 10W 60 is a great oil as other members have testified to, but can I do better.

The only thing that worries me about putting a 10W 60 in the SSV is that 70% of its km are short trips, the Cross 8 will definetly get the 10W 60 just don't know which one, if there is something out there in between Mainlube and Castrol Edge please let me know.

Cheers

[DSRUPT]

i use penrite full synthetic 15w40 i think it was

[cashie]

I just dropped some castrol edge 10w-60 into mine yesterday, engine is quieter and pressure is higher..

[Blakrok]

Just had my SSV serviced by Holden, they used Castrol 5w30 @ ~$80.

[pah]

Hi Guys,

I make sure that the synthetic oil I buy is Group 4. I understand that some oil companies run mineral oil through an extra process or two and then label it as Group 3 sythetic. Castrol makes a Group 4 synthetic and so does Mobil - Mobil 1.

Some car makers recommend a specific oil to enable extended drain intervals of around 20,000 kms or more. I think that they're probably always recommending Group 4 synthetic oil. My reasoning - if a Group 4 oil is OK for 20,000 kms, it should give great protection for 10,000 to 15,000kms.



PAH

[matthewfnorbert]

if there is something out there in between Mainlube and Castrol Edge please let me know.

Cheers

whats the difference between mainlube 10w 60 and edge 10w 60?

are they not 99% the same?

[Blown 454 AWD]

whats the difference between mainlube 10w 60 and edge 10w 60?

are they not 99% the same?

No they are not the same, very different additive package and base oil (even though both are group IV)

You can built a standard engine or a LXS race engine, huge difference in price and quality.

A Skoda or a Merc

Cheers

[Gts.300]

Any one tried Lucas oil stabilized? Does it just increase viscousity ?

[vitob2006]

Just ripped my LS2 engine apart. Only ever used castrol edge 0W40. Never had valvetrain noise, start up issues or oil consumption issues.
Clean as a whistle after 150 000km.
Bores are as smooth as a baby's bottom and valve train perfect....no deposits anywhere in the engine

Along with all the forums in the US 0W40 seems the way to go and thats my experience.

LS1s might like 10W60 but not the LS2.

0W40,0W40,0W40,0W40,0W40,0W40,0W40,0W40.

Don't get sucked into to higher oil pressure being a good thing, it just means the the oils tooooo thick and it requires more pressure to move it around.

Full synthetic gives u optimum film strength at the right thickness at operating temperature, hence the 40 in 0W40 and the 0 in the 0W40 means that the oil doesn't thick up when it cools which means better protection at cold start up.

After all the hours and days and weeks of trying to work it out. I am glad I got it right. And I have the proof. AND by no means has the car been babyed but after street use and abuse the bottom end is pristine.

CASTROL EDGE 0W40 FULL SYNTHETIC....PERIOD