HSV reluctance to provide test cars.

[4VMan]

Just wondering why in the past 12 months HSV have suddenly been reluctant to provide test cars to mags and car forums when ever a S/C miami GT is being tested? have they suddenly become scared? or is there another reason??

[HSVREDSLED]

Just wondering why in the past 12 months HSV have suddenly been reluctant to provide test cars to mags and car forums when ever a S/C miami GT is being tested? have they suddenly become scared? or is there another reason??

Because they are smart.

Why would they want to test a car against a supercharged opposition? Hardly a level playing field. Full credit to ford though. Historically they have resorted to forced induction such as the XR6T and now strapped on superchargers to compete with Holdens offerings. All credit to them. Do what it takes to beat the opposition...until the opposition play the same game...then.....

[4VMan]

Because they are smart.

Why would they want to test a car against a supercharged opposition? Hardly a level playing field. Full credit to ford though. Historically they have resorted to forced induction such as the XR6T and now strapped on superchargers to compete with Holdens offerings. All credit to them. Do what it takes to beat the opposition...until the opposition play the same game...then.....

Smart to a point i guess... or looks like theyre scared. Unfortunately it wil be another 2 years till HSV have anything to respond to FPV, and even then there's no guarantee the 5.3 will cut it. That's a hell of a lot of hide and seek...

[lowriding]

Anyone have HSV l sales Vs FPV sales , YTD and Total ?

The amount of current FPV's i actually see indicate that their future is shaky imo .

[4VMan]

Anyone have HSV l sales Vs FPV sales , YTD and Total ?

The amount of current FPV's i actually see indicate that their future is shaky imo .

No point leading the sales race by numbers if you arent selling them at a profit. Id rather sell half of what HSV do but make a profit doing so.

[macca33]

No point leading the sales race by numbers if you arent selling them at a profit. Id rather sell half of what HSV do but make a profit doing so.

Do you honestly think that HSV are not selling their vehicles at a profit??? Get off the grass mate.

[lowriding]

No point leading the sales race by numbers if you arent selling them at a profit. Id rather sell half of what HSV do but make a profit doing so.

...not that old baseless argument again ....

[Jamolad]

Anyone have HSV l sales Vs FPV sales , YTD and Total ?

The amount of current FPV's i actually see indicate that their future is shaky imo .

Weird, isn't it. Ford's V8 finally has the straight line speed advantage after many, many years playing also-ran to HSV, and yet they are still not selling any great numbers.

And other than a couple of runs of that ad with that Canadian Mazda legend asking "Wanna hear it again?", the most I have seen that package spruiked has been on this Holden forum.

Maybe some got scared off by the reports of problems with water pumps, and the fact that most dealers did not know how to replace them????

Still does not answer the original question though...maybe the OP needs to try some different bait??

[Jamolad]

{SNIP}Id rather sell half of what HSV do but make a profit doing so.

Reckon FPV will ever sell close to half of what HSV do, profit or otherwise???

[4VMan]

Reckon FPV will ever sell close to half of what HSV do, profit or otherwise???

Given the brand loyalty Holden/HSV enjoy i doubt it, logic has no place when there are people blinded by brand loyalty, still, id rather make a profit then discount at break even or a loss just to outsell my competition.

[macca33]

Given the brand loyalty Holden/HSV enjoy i doubt it, logic has no place when there are people blinded by brand loyalty, still, id rather make a profit then discount at break even or a loss just to outsell my competition.

Again I'll put the question mate - do you honestly believe that HSV are selling cars without a significant margin?

FWIW, I'm far from one-eyed and respect the product produced by Ford / FPV - both T6 and SC V8.

You however, just seem to be here to commence a troll session, without providing any evidence of your claims.

Either put up, or shut-up...

[4VMan]

Again I'll put the question mate - do you honestly believe that HSV are selling cars without a significant margin?

FWIW, I'm far from one-eyed and respect the product produced by Ford / FPV - both T6 and SC V8.

You however, just seem to be here to commence a troll session, without providing any evidence of your claims.

Either put up, or shut-up...

Ease up Tiger, im no rooky, its a serious question, its the first time ive seen HSV shy from a fight, what's your perspecive on their motives?

[macca33]

My perspective is that they have simply decided to opt out, even though, dynamically, the overall HSV product is superior to the FPV. The S/C Coyote is a ripper, pity the chassis cannot support the motivation - as indicated by many a scribe...

That's my perspective, now how about ponying up with the evidence that HSV are selling cars at a loss......

[701let]

Ease up Tiger, im no rooky, its a serious question, its the first time ive seen HSV shy from a fight, what's your perspecive on their motives?

How many LS3 HSVs have been tested before? Seriously a black edition clubsport isnt going to perform any differently to a regular clubsport so whats it matter?

[seldo]

Ease up Tiger, im no rooky, its a serious question, its the first time ive seen HSV shy from a fight, what's your perspecive on their motives?

Judging from this and your posting history, you're obviously a Ford guy (your loss) but let's see you put up some substantial evidence of your claim "still, id rather make a profit then discount at break even or a loss just to outsell my competition."You've just ignored others' requests...