Young drivers face V8 car ban until 21

[BEARWOOD]

FAIL... why not try teaching younger drivers how to drive safely and make it mandatory for them to do driving courses at school instead of some of the useless crap that is taught and never used in real life. A young inexperienced driver is just as dangerous in a SV6 as opposed to a SS or similar. This sort of thing is just to make them look as though they are doing something about younger drivers without actually having to do anything except say "You're Banned from driving XXXX car".

It's obviously to much effort these days to try and do anything properly. I can't get my head around L platers being on the road without even having to do any previous driving...

[***VX*R8***]

I agree with the advanced driver courses for drivers of high powered vehicles. Personally though, I don't think it makes much of a difference if you are driving a higher powered V8 or a lower powered V6. I think if someone's gonna drive like an idiot they're gonna drive like an idiot no matter what car you give them or how many anti-speed videos they are shown but at least if they have been taught the basics of how to handle the car the chance of them doing serious damage is lowered somewhat.

I have 2x friends with S14 200sx (sr20det) the first one is 28yrs old and his car is fairly stock with stock size turbo(boosted) and standard brakes suspension etc. he drives like an absolute idiot and treats the car like crap. I actually get worried as a passenger. He also wrote off his last S14. The second friend is about 24, has a 200sx with fully built sr20 with huge t67 turbo making pretty crazy power for such a light car, the car has coilovers etc, handles well and is well kept, looked after etc. The car is very fast but the guy does not drive wrecklessly and being in the car I feel safe and don't worry at all. He will drive the car fast and use the power but not all the time and not in stupid places. The car has had the money spent on very good quality parts and work has been done slowly but with care.

Also the first guy recently replaced his clutch and flywheel. Stripped a thread on the crank completely and overdid another of the flywheel bolts to the point it just keeps spinning. I told him before hand to make sure they are all torqued up right etc. but he didn't listen.Instead of fix it properly or replace the engine with another sr20 he had sitting there, he puts 6 of the 8 flywheel bolts back in properly (not torqued though) absolutely covers the 7th in loctite and does up as tight as it will go and leaves the 8th one out as there is no thread at all. He brings the car around the next day as the clutch feels funny so I adjust the master cyl rod which fixes that problem, then we take the car for a drive to test and I tell him it has alot of shudder etc then he tells me "oh yeah, I left a tailshaft flange bolt out cos I couldn't find it". This guy also buys brake pads and rotors from wreckers to save money lol. He is 28 yrs old so I don't think it's the age or car that's the problem, more the attitude and intelligence lol.

I'd much rather drive next to the second car with the under 25 driver making 390+rwhp than the 28yr old driver making under 200rwkw lol.
I think it's more someone's attitude and skill towards driving that causes an accident than the type of car they drive.

[Mr Mynarocv8]

A Hyundai exel can still do 140kph... Straight into a tree! It's not the car it's
the driver... Here in wa we are taught to pass a test not how to drive a car

[***VX*R8***]

Here in wa we are taught to pass a test not how to drive a car

Haha, I think that's pretty much how it is in QLD too.

[VYSHSV8]

A Hyundai exel can still do 140kph... Straight into a tree! It's not the car it's
the driver... Here in wa we are taught to pass a test not how to drive a car

I agree it's the driver and the drivers responsibility and not the cars.
If this fark wit wants this why not ban cars all together
My wife's Mazda 2 will do 170+ no prob at all

My rules for my kids will be to learn to drive a car and handle it like me before they take the keys of the VY or VE

[Vulture]

We as a community are gradually being legislated to the point where eventually we’ll lose the ability to be able to make decisions for ourselves. You only need to look at the social problems that Governments of late have been trying to correct by making laws that affect everyone to save the few. Alcohol and drug abuse, gambling addiction, violence and rage and traffic safety to name a few and yet no amount of Government intervention makes the problems go away.

Agree 100%.

I was thinking the same thing when I was listening to the news yesterday re Wilkie pulling his support from Gillard over the gambling "reforms".
ABCNEWS24 kept playing the tear-jerking story of a woman who was speaking about her husband having committed suicide over gambling and Gillard kept talking about gamblers being "unable to drive by a club without getting on the pokies" etc as if it was the government and the rest of the community's duty to protect everyone from themselves. For crying out loud, this is what a free society is about! FREEDOM. A sad by-product of that is that people will sometimes engage in extreme and self-destructive behaviour - but that is their choice! The woman's husband didn't need to gamble his life away but chose that path. Government, stay out of our lives! Having long run out of genuinely sensible reforms and sensible legislation, governments and interest groups, bureaucrats and the media seem to be looking for ever more creative ways of limiting our freedoms. Obesity kills and maims many, many more people than gambling. Maybe there should be legislation that makes it illegal to buy more than a certain amount of calories if you are overweight?! I mean, where does it all end? In totalitarian state control is where people.

If it can be shown that limiting vehicle choice by power-weight ratios will be a clear benefit for road safety of the young driver, then perhaps that is reasonable but these sorts of things always need to be balanced with the priority tilted in favour of individual choice unless there is a very good reason not to allow that.

[ATOMIC 8]

It is impossible to make laws against stupidity!!!

Since I was 16 I have owned cars that were considered "high powered" and would be off limits to p-platers today but I never had a close call or a serious accident.

Few of my mates wrapped their cars round trees, poles and other cars and not one of them was in what I would call a "high powered" car.
Usually a v6 commo sedan or a Hyundai Excel.

Driver education and bus passes are what is needed here.

[AMADR8]

the shit thing is the people doing right thing are being penalised because of a minor amount of farkwits. maybe they should give real penalties to kids being dick heads on the roads. these days have the dick heads see getting their cars impounded for month or so as a medal of honor. maybe take it and their licence for a whole year on the spot and then send them to do comunity service at a tac rehab centre along with a big fark off fine

[VYSHSV8]

And make sure before they get there license back they have completed aAn advanced driver training course

Although I think it should be compulsory for the course to be completed

[Pickles]

GEEZ, UNBELIEVABLE......that we all agree?......No,.....but it is bloody unbelievable that here we are, a group of ordinary people,...we've ALL got good solutions, we can ALL see the problems that exist.......WHY CAN'T THE POLIES & THE POLICE? I mean do they REALLY think that banning V8s will make any meaningful difference.....gimme a break....surely they can't be that stupid?.....or are they simply "Headline Hunters"?
Cheers, Pickles.

[VZ_V8]

I agree with the majority here. Most small cars available today even with their 2.0l 4cyl N/A motors are more than quick enough to cause a fatal accident.

The licensing system here is an absolute joke. Someone could pass and still barely know how to even drive a car. I remember on my test the instructor got me to do the "forgot something at home" routine where he makes a not of a house and then tells you to go back to it a little bit later. He marked me down because I didn't go far enough into the driveway, not that I was hanging out on the road or anything just simply should have driven closer to the house. Now what sort of ****ed up logic says that doing that "test" has anything to do with my ability to drive a car...

Defensive/Advanced driver training days are what is needed. It should be mandatory to do them before even being allowed to get a license. I did an advanced driver training day a few years ago. Those few hours taught me more about car control in emergency situations etc than any other driving lessons, tests etc I had done up to that point.

[VZ_V8]

GEEZ, UNBELIEVABLE......that we all agree?......No,.....but it is bloody unbelievable that here we are, a group of ordinary people,...we've ALL got good solutions, we can ALL see the problems that exist.......WHY CAN'T THE POLIES & THE POLICE? I mean do they REALLY think that banning V8s will make any meaningful difference.....gimme a break....surely they can't be that stupid?.....or are they simply "Headline Hunters"?
Cheers, Pickles.

Its easy for them to single out V8s because the media etc has portrayed them as all being a menace on the roads. Nothing seems to have any thought behind it. They just want to make themselves look like they are being proactive. The only problem is, their laws and campaigns make no difference so they just spin up some new bullshit and pass a new law. I can drive my ute around without doing anything stupid but because it is loud, im a younger driver and its a black holden ute people look at me like I am a hoon automatically. Yet when I drive my mums accord euro around, I can do whatever I want and no one looks twice. The perception is V8 = bad.

[AMADR8]

Defensive/Advanced driver training days should be mandatory for every driver/ motorcycle rider on our roads. although they can work in a negative way with these dick heads that think they are invincible by giving them more confidence to be cocky farkers

[Tre-Cool]

so holdens new 1.4lt turbo cruze is a high performance car now?



ha ha ha ha ha

[A^K^T]

GEEZ, UNBELIEVABLE......that we all agree?......No,.....but it is bloody unbelievable that here we are, a group of ordinary people,...we've ALL got good solutions, we can ALL see the problems that exist.......WHY CAN'T THE POLIES & THE POLICE? I mean do they REALLY think that banning V8s will make any meaningful difference.....gimme a break....surely they can't be that stupid?.....or are they simply "Headline Hunters"?
Cheers, Pickles.

The number one priority of a political party in opposition is to win the next election , I don't think good policy/law is always (if ever) the winner in that situation.