Supercharged HSV this year?....I say yes.

[Pickles]

Um, put it back into the context of the entire comment, rather than only disecting a small portion and maybe even someone like you...never mind

Ok, I'll break it down for you.

HSV lovers since the LS1 have praised the power the motor produces, since the Miami introduction all you hear is how great the HSV 'package' is. So keeping in context that a supercharged HSV would be the solution to a better car is plain silly, throwing another 100kw at a car that is just capable now isn't going to make it better.
Do you get it now? Something like a BMW is a much better 'package' in that price range tham either HSV or FPV will ever produce, so I ask you don't go back down the 'power' avenue to justify a 100k+ price tag on an Aussie car....Phew

You are missing the point......again.
Firstly, I started this thread.....It had NOTHING to do with Ford whatsoever....I did not introduce any comment about the Miami engine, regardless of how good it may, or may not be...nor did I make any untrue, derogatory comments "collective arses" about FPV, as you did against HSV......so if anyone started an HSV V FPV "issue" it was you.
"Phew" ....So, having got that out of the way. and in terms of my thread, the engine I am talking about , & remember, I've said I have no "inside info", will not be a "mainstream" engine, it will be a "special", a limited build, or whatever you want to call it. I say it will happen, but it will be built, in limited numbers alongside the existing range, which will continue.
Some have mentioned a 5.5L F.I. engine. well, I don't know much about that, but I'd say that is the engine that will take HSV into the future, not a limited build, very high performance unit like the 410KW LSA.
Cheers, Pickles

[steve_t]

My dealer just sent me a flyer saying there's never been a better time to trade in my E1 Maloo for something new. The first listing is for their demonstrator Walkinshaw E3 GTS with 500kw through a WP230, WP cam, Lower MRC suspension, 6 pot brakes, WP 3" Bi-Modal exhaust with WP headers, SBZA. All for a bargain price of $169,000

[Spoolin]

No, I'm not missing the point, you're simply not understanding what I and others are saying. BTW, I didn't realise that OP's owned thread?

1, no Australian built sedan is worth 100K regardless of what is under the bonnet.
2, the mojority of enthusiasts wanting all these goodies can't afford a 100K brand new car.
3, it's going to be too expensive putting it up against much better engineered cars.
4, an engine change for a limited edition run is not going to save HSV, especially with a special price tag.
5, with a price tag of 100k it opens up many, many options. some will even choose a used euro such as a Merc or BMW as they are simply better cars.
6, how long do you think the rwd platform will exists in the format of a commodore, 3-5 years? I can see it as a last stand only.

[Xjas]

Unfortunately it seem likely that an LSA power HSV will be a special edition (which is what the GTS nameplate was originally) probably along the lines of the LSA powered ZL1 Camaro due this year. Whatever the engine to power the garden variety HSV it would be unlikely to put out more than 340-350kws as large jumps in power just dont make economic sense for any car manufacturer, thats why the VT LS1 was detuned so far. The big question is if HSV need 340-350kws for the next round of models do they up the power of the LS3 which would make it more powerful than any LS3 offering in the US or do they go with the LSA and detune it to suit.... or maybe they'll start fitting Miami engines, I hear they're so good they are going be powering the next space shuttle.

If it was up to me I'd make the SS N/A, put the base 550hp LSA in the SSV, put the higher output 580hp LSA in the Clubsport and the LS9 in the GTS to make it the special car it used to be, that'd give everyone plenty of choice and make what could be the last of the Commodores really something special.

[Pickles]

No, I'm not missing the point, you're simply not understanding what I and others are saying. BTW, I didn't realise that OP's owned thread?

1, no Australian built sedan is worth 100K regardless of what is under the bonnet.
2, the mojority of enthusiasts wanting all these goodies can't afford a 100K brand new car.
3, it's going to be too expensive putting it up against much better engineered cars.
4, an engine change for a limited edition run is not going to save HSV, especially with a special price tag.
5, with a price tag of 100k it opens up many, many options. some will even choose a used euro such as a Merc or BMW as they are simply better cars.
6, how long do you think the rwd platform will exists in the format of a commodore, 3-5 years? I can see it as a last stand only.

4. There you go again.....Who said HSV need "saving"?
And you are missing the point again.....it ain't no "Last Stand", or anything of the sort....it's just a limited run "special", that is, IF it happens....it will have NO influence on HSV's future at all. HSV have had plenty of experience with limited builds...I would suggest to you that they are the best ones to decide whether it is worthwhile or not.
"Commodore Platform".....nothing to do with this thread.....but if ya wanna raise it, then I would suggest to you a Miami engined car will be affected by this issue before Commodore....but like I said, this thread ain't about HSV or FPV or Commodore or Falcon.....it's imply about whether a S/C engine will appear in a HSV this year....simply, I say it will.
Cheers, Pickles.

[mjrandom]

As well as missing the point with the euros. How old is the E63 or M5 that you see is worth $100k? I am looking at a replacement for my E2 and thinking of throwing some cash about. M3 and C63 4 doors are in the mix. Ummm I think you should go and play with one and then see how the $150k entry price stands up against the E3 or GT-P. Size is going to be an issue and the interior is not as flash as you seem to think it is. Different class different price. No comparison really. Go 10 year old second hand and you have a lot of history to worry about. I know the HSV or FPV is little more than a better braked better engined taxi with a light splash of sporty but it is still half the price of anything else that goes as hard. And yes I could get a Golf or something and tune the crap out of it but I wont.

If there was a limited edition GTS coming out later this year with a bag of kW, something nicer inside (God no red only leather option please oh and no go faster stickers and wings) and the suspension sorted for the kW I would look at it seriously - read buy it. Same goes for a GT-HO or whatever that would be but both need to have the chassis sorted for the kW and Nm.

[Pickles]

As well as missing the point with the euros. How old is the E63 or M5 that you see is worth $100k? I am looking at a replacement for my E2 and thinking of throwing some cash about. M3 and C63 4 doors are in the mix. Ummm I think you should go and play with one and then see how the $150k entry price stands up against the E3 or GT-P. Size is going to be an issue and the interior is not as flash as you seem to think it is. Different class different price. No comparison really. Go 10 year old second hand and you have a lot of history to worry about. I know the HSV or FPV is little more than a better braked better engined taxi with a light splash of sporty but it is still half the price of anything else that goes as hard. And yes I could get a Golf or something and tune the crap out of it but I wont.

If there was a limited edition GTS coming out later this year with a bag of kW, something nicer inside (God no red only leather option please oh and no go faster stickers and wings) and the suspension sorted for the kW I would look at it seriously - read buy it. Same goes for a GT-HO or whatever that would be but both need to have the chassis sorted for the kW and Nm.

Good post...I agree with you 100%.....and I do own....a C63!
Cheers, Pickles.

[Spoolin]

OHH FFS CHILD!

I have my own opinion, stop getting so God damn defensive about it! In my opinion, anyone who spends a 100K or even 80K on an Aussie saloon needs their friggin head read!

[bok1]

simple answer yes it will be here later in the year.pickles i also have a c63 and i have seen the photos of your new1.there is no comparasion to a hsv and amg c63 the 2 are miles apart in fit and finish.also the quality need to be picked up by both hsv and fpv if they want to compete with the likes of amg and bmw m divisions.

[Wonky]

My dealer just sent me a flyer saying there's never been a better time to trade in my E1 Maloo for something new. The first listing is for their demonstrator Walkinshaw E3 GTS with 500kw through a WP230, WP cam, Lower MRC suspension, 6 pot brakes, WP 3" Bi-Modal exhaust with WP headers, SBZA. All for a bargain price of $169,000

I reckon (depending on kms) they won't get a lot more than half that asking price................

[Magnum9]

OHH FFS CHILD!

I have my own opinion, stop getting so God damn defensive about it! In my opinion, anyone who spends a 100K or even 80K on an Aussie saloon needs their friggin head read!

You might think 100k is a lot of money. For a lot of people it is just play money so what it gets spent on is irrelevant.

[185iboy]

There is no doubt HSV will have supercharged engines. Not this year though. This side of the decade yep.

[Pickles]

I reckon (depending on kms) they won't get a lot more than half that asking price................

You're right.....Anyone that would pay that sort of money would have to be a....SUPER GOOSE.
Cheers, Pickles.

[macca_779]

You're right.....Anyone that would pay that sort of money would have to be a....SUPER GOOSE.
Cheers, Pickles.

That applies to people who buy most WP products I reckon. Very inflated prices indeed

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

you know whats really simple to understand...if you have to pay 40-50 THOUSAND $ more on a performance car...when the oposition builds virtually the same or similiar proven product...then your either a MASSIVE diehard to that brand(read stupid with your money) or your really stupid with your money.
i think Hsv will have a quad turbo 2ltre lpg grange by the end of the year.....just my opinion...smacks forehead....but its a great buisness case