Supercharged HSV this year?....I say yes.

[Jag530G]

How many people in this thread can honestly say that, right here right now they can and are prepared to spend 100K on a HSV?

Honestly, 100k on any local produce is nothing short of a joke. You're starting to talk BMW 335 territory, now please don't go down the 'it's all about power' track, when most have been talking about the 'complete package' since FPV has been handing HSV their collective arses since the Miami release.

Thats why I think it would be a very limited build, circa 100 cars tops I reckon. HSV only sold 130 odd (+/- a few) W427s when there was little domestic competition at the time. HSV dealers seemed to struggle selling Coupe 4s, VT2-VY GTS sedans/coupes, VX Senator 300s for $95K back in 2000-2004, given a few months they seemed to be advertised with rather large discounts, which sure as hell didn't do resale any favours.

Cheers, Matthew

[macca33]

How many people in this thread can honestly say that, right here right now they can and are prepared to spend 100K on a HSV?

Honestly, 100k on any local produce is nothing short of a joke. You're starting to talk BMW 335 territory, now please don't go down the 'it's all about power' track, when most have been talking about the 'complete package' since FPV has been handing HSV their collective arses since the Miami release.

People spend $250k+ on a XY Phase 3 GTHO that is now around 30 years old - similarly they spend big coin for a Bathurst Monaro, or A9X Torrie. Putting aside the obvious racing heritage the older cars share (clearly, the current ones do not) - why would $100k+ for a HSV be silly - remembering, also, that the C4B cars were all $90-100k propositions back in 2000-2004?

cheers

[BEARWOOD]

People spend $250k+ on a XY Phase 3 GTHO that is now around 30 years old - similarly they spend big coin for a Bathurst Monaro, or A9X Torrie. Putting aside the obvious racing heritage the older cars share (clearly, the current ones do not) - why would $100k+ for a HSV be silly - remembering, also, that the C4B cars were all $90-100k propositions back in 2000-2004?

cheers

What does the price of a 30 year old Falcon have to do with a new generation HSV? If they want to charge over 100k surely it would have to be more than just an engine swap.

[Spoolin]

Putting aside the obvious racing heritage the older cars share (clearly, the current ones do not) - why would $100k+ for a HSV be silly
cheers

You answered your own question, racing heritage is where it's at and the fact new cars are not in the same league. Remember the muscle cars you talk of were near worthless 30 years ago, it's only recently they have become popular with many baby boomers. You'd probably be better off waiting 5 to 10 years when they're resale prices have dropped then hold onto it for 20-30 years when they don't exist to possibly cash up.

[Pickles]

How many people in this thread can honestly say that, right here right now they can and are prepared to spend 100K on a HSV?

Honestly, 100k on any local produce is nothing short of a joke. You're starting to talk BMW 335 territory, now please don't go down the 'it's all about power' track, when most have been talking about the 'complete package' since FPV has been handing HSV their collective arses since the Miami release.

Ha Ha Ha....Before you posted, you should have told everyone you were blind.....because you must be, because you obviously have been unable to read the relative sales figures for HSV & FPV......actually exactly the reverse is the case. Check sales figures before you make ridiculous comments like that.
Even a renowned "Ford Man" John Bowe said in an article, he couldn't believe how good a package is the E3GTS. No doubt Miami ain't a ripper engine....no doubt at all.....and yes FPV have FINALLY got a good engine......and in a straight line, it may be slightly quicker than the HSV product.....but so what....there's a lot more to ANY car than driving it in a straight line, and as an overall package, the HSV car is light years ahead.
Anyway, get someone to find the sales figures for you.
Cheers, Pickles.

[NickS]

How many people in this thread can honestly say that, right here right now they can and are prepared to spend 100K on a HSV?

Honestly, 100k on any local produce is nothing short of a joke. You're starting to talk BMW 335 territory, now please don't go down the 'it's all about power' track, when most have been talking about the 'complete package' since FPV has been handing HSV their collective arses since the Miami release.

Well said mate ... that's the reason I wouldn't be interested. The GTS has enough power IMO, I wouldn't pay for more power if the rest of the package is the same.

I would however disagree that "FPV has been handing HSV their collective arses" ... the GTS is still regarded as the better "package" and that's all that I'm interested in. Seriously, how fast can you go on Sydney roads anyway!

[Spoolin]

Ha Ha Ha....Before you posted, you should have told everyone you were blind.....because you must be, because you obviously have been unable to read the relative sales figures for HSV & FPV......actually exactly the reverse is the case. Check sales figures before you make ridiculous comments like that.
Even a renowned "Ford Man" John Bowe said in an article, he couldn't believe how good a package is the E3GTS. No doubt Miami ain't a ripper engine....no doubt at all.....and yes FPV have FINALLY got a good engine......and in a straight line, it may be slightly quicker than the HSV product.....but so what....there's a lot more to ANY car than driving it in a straight line, and as an overall package, the HSV car is light years ahead.
Anyway, get someone to find the sales figures for you.
Cheers, Pickles.

I'm confused...

What did I state about sales figures?
What did I say about John Bowe's comments?
Since when hasn't the Miami been a ripper motor?
Who said anything about comparing the HSV offering to the FPV offering? I in fact stated that as an overall package circa 100K, neither of them stack up against a BMW 335.
If you want to start a b#$shit3 fight over HSV and FPV be my guest, but you'll be alone as you're the first one to raise it in this thread!

Now unless I've written someting different to what you have read, you may wish to reconsider the ridiculous reply you have just presented.

Now I'll go jump in my boring FPV ute, which I'm glad I purchased after recently driving and even more boring SSV

[macca_779]

Has anyone considered that HSV going to a supercharged motor may help Ford move cars. Think about it your average clueless punter gets sucked into HSV's excellent marketing campaign. Then realizes after going to the dealer how much one on the road is going to cost and clicks that if he goes to the FPV dealership next door he can get a supercharged V8 for 50+k less. I know I would


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[Pickles]

I'm confused...

What did I state about sales figures?
What did I say about John Bowe's comments?
Since when hasn't the Miami been a ripper motor?
Who said anything about comparing the HSV offering to the FPV offering? I in fact stated that as an overall package circa 100K, neither of them stack up against a BMW 335.
If you want to start a b#$shit3 fight over HSV and FPV be my guest, but you'll be alone as you're the first one to raise it in this thread!

Now unless I've written someting different to what you have read, you may wish to reconsider the ridiculous reply you have just presented.

Now I'll go jump in my boring FPV ute, which I'm glad I purchased after recently driving and even more boring SSV

Last 12 words of your Post 165?
Cheers, Pickles.

[Spoolin]

now please don't go down the 'it's all about power' track, when most have been talking about the 'complete package' since FPV has been handing HSV their collective arses since the Miami release.

Last 12 words of your Post 165?

Cheers, Pickles.

Um, put it back into the context of the entire comment, rather than only disecting a small portion and maybe even someone like you...never mind

Ok, I'll break it down for you.

HSV lovers since the LS1 have praised the power the motor produces, since the Miami introduction all you hear is how great the HSV 'package' is. So keeping in context that a supercharged HSV would be the solution to a better car is plain silly, throwing another 100kw at a car that is just capable now isn't going to make it better.
Do you get it now? Something like a BMW is a much better 'package' in that price range tham either HSV or FPV will ever produce, so I ask you don't go back down the 'power' avenue to justify a 100k+ price tag on an Aussie car....Phew

[288vxgts300]

Some of us don,t give a shitt about imports,

A S/C HSV ,to the holden enthusiast would be awsome,and 100k,so what.

[Spoolin]

Some of us don,t give a shitt about imports,

A S/C HSV ,to the holden enthusiast would be awsome,and 100k,so what.

You're right, but there isn't enough enthusiasts who will or can afford a 100k.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

Um, put it back into the context of the entire comment, rather than only disecting a small portion and maybe even someone like you...never mind

Ok, I'll break it down for you.

HSV lovers since the LS1 have praised the power the motor produces, since the Miami introduction all you hear is how great the HSV 'package' is. So keeping in context that a supercharged HSV would be the solution to a better car is plain silly, throwing another 100kw at a car that is just capable now isn't going to make it better.
Do you get it now? Something like a BMW is a much better 'package' in that price range tham either HSV or FPV will ever produce, so I ask you don't go back down the 'power' avenue to justify a 100k+ price tag on an Aussie car....Phew

not to mention all i ever heard was the fpv used to have the better overall package...but the new stomping motor OVERPOWERS the chasis haha. seriously 100k for a hsv in this time and age is a joke and should be outlawed. Unless of course it is a special edition with the new sc engine and a bunch of goodies to put it in euro high performance sedan territory.....cus thats where it will be...and a sc engine alone wont cut it. Otherwise...MACCA your right...everyone can just go next door and buy a sc ford for MUCH less.

[mjrandom]

put it in euro high performance sedan territory

What price point do you reckon this starts at for a genuine 5 seater 4 door?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????

[gigantor]

would be nice to see a factory supercharged v8 like the ls9 in a hsv. dont think they will get a ls9 tho. the fords are getting too fast hsv will loose too many customers if they dont step it up soon