Supercharged HSV this year?....I say yes.

[duke5700]

I'm not holding my breath.

The commodore is a full sized touring car.. Yeah you can tart it up and they do everything reasonably for the dollars..

Lets move onto the next gen of middle sized rwd cars with better power trains. DSG, a chassis that actually wants to turn in, direct injection, small capacity FI all the good stuff.

[Usdrothek]

Bring on the new torana concept car! A blown V6.

[Alex(AUS)]

No go. And the 335 gt is faster than the C63.

I wouldnt say so. The C63 coupe with performance pack ran near 120mph in a recent Motor test (and that is detuned from the N/A E big brother ...)

Alex

[mjrandom]

OK I will kick off a debate!

Dropped the E2 off to the doctor this morning to try to identify the noise that appeared and disappeared the other night and took the opportunity to ask about 'the limited edition GTS' later this year. Wouldn't or couldn't say anything about it. Either didn't know or wasn't talking. Only comment was that there has been a car running around as a concept for a while and it may or may not make its way to production. If it does it won't be a sticker special. What was interesting was he said that from mid 2012 GTS will no longer be a mainstream model in the line up and will be restricted to limited production runs once or twice a year. This is to strengthen the GTS brand and make it more desirable. The base Clubsport is coming back and the R8 will step up with leather interior and some other bits though details unknown. Senator Signature will continue as normal. Anyone heard this or anything similar?

Oh and as for the supercharged GTS no comment other than what was said above and no they wouldn't take a deposit!

With the VF/ F series (?) a couple of years away I am interested. Was looking at M3 and C63 but they are just too small for me right now and also I couldn't use either as a daily driver given where I have to drive so it is back to a tickled Senator, the mysterious s/c GTS, or a GT-P or GT-? also slated for later this year.

Hope you are right Martin.

Michael

PS: anyone with an E3 or PD are the bolt holes for the rear spoiler in the same place as E1/E2?

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

im still amazed as to why anyone would think holden can afford to spend RnD on a supercharged limited edition when they only have 4 years left to spread all the money they have now including the recent 200mill from the gov......and the Vf...almost 100% the last ever commadore. It would seem more ussefull to go nuts with last ditch editions before they have to start all over again with the new global shells...which theyve allready confirmed. I cant see them getting any more money from the gov...and the parent companies broke..so no dough coming there.
Its going to be very interesting what happens in the near future.
And anyone who wants to call me a ford troll is just immature..and uncapable of a grown up conversation with real facts. Ive always had holdens and until recently Hsvs...but a close family member has a GT 335 which allows me a certain privledged possition of being able to sample both in the real world. And let me put the record straight....in the real world the Gt335 absolutely eats the Hsvs for breakfast..is much more planted with better feedback then the stupid track only MRC suspension gimic (which if youve sampled is either good on good roads or poor on poor roads) and dont get me started on things like cost of tyres or costs of similiar tuneability. One thing he never had on me is the looks tho...Fpvs are soft.. although he argues a charger whine negates that all day and secretly hes on to something. And from what ive seen around here ..theres not many who havnt jumped on the superchargerd HSV for christmas bandwagon.haha

So keeping on topic ...still havent heard anything about this knew SC HSV and if we do itl still cost to much and i now cant be bothered spending 30-50% $ for an overinflated aussie sports sedan. I think ill wait for the last commadore and have that in the shed instead.

[kayman]

There is a mule running a lsa though. As early as october last year too. So they are spending development dollars on it.

GT-I9100

[Pickles]

There is a mule running a lsa though. As early as october last year too. So they are spending development dollars on it.

GT-I9100

There certainly is.....and as far as R/D is concerned.....well yes, I know it's gotta be done, but the LSA is a proven package, used in similar situations in the U.S.....and like I've said....it wouldn't be hard.....anyway, we're getting closer.......to seeing the car......or simply discovering.......that I was wrong!
The prior post about the GTS is "interesting".....but I don't know anything about that.
I see also that we have a Falcon "enthusiast" on here, making comments about the "future" of the Commodore?......fair enough of course, but if I was him, I'd be far more concerned about the future of the Falcon?
Cheers Pickles.

[mjrandom]

No idea what power and torque figures any hypothetical LSA GTS will have but a lot of R&D would have been done with the W427 that will be valid for the GTS. The W427 was 375kW and 650Nm wasn't it? Just wondering if the LSA GTS if offered will be manual only? What is the auto box good for and is there an auto option in the good old US of A that runs the LSA?

As for the comments above on the Ford. Don't care what anyone says the Ford doesn't transmit its power to the ground in an effective manner and the tuning of the stability/traction control is behind HSV. If I was to buy a Ford it would need to be one that has had some tweeks to the rear rubber and suspension from the factory. If it is the same just with more engine power I won't even bother to drive it. Hell after back to back drives of an F6 and my 'not quite as it left the factory' E1 R8 the salesman went out and bought an E1 GTS!

[Angeldust]

i would take a w427 any day over a gt335


Bring on a LSA GTS!!!

(htough i wont be able to afford it)

[jaykay]

http://www.legendarycollectorcars.co...ZR1-engine.jpg

[Pickles]

No idea what power and torque figures any hypothetical LSA GTS will have but a lot of R&D would have been done with the W427 that will be valid for the GTS. The W427 was 375kW and 650Nm wasn't it? Just wondering if the LSA GTS if offered will be manual only? What is the auto box good for and is there an auto option in the good old US of A that runs the LSA?

As for the comments above on the Ford. Don't care what anyone says the Ford doesn't transmit its power to the ground in an effective manner and the tuning of the stability/traction control is behind HSV. If I was to buy a Ford it would need to be one that has had some tweeks to the rear rubber and suspension from the factory. If it is the same just with more engine power I won't even bother to drive it. Hell after back to back drives of an F6 and my 'not quite as it left the factory' E1 R8 the salesman went out and bought an E1 GTS!

LSA has 410KW, & 745NM..... lovely, totally "adequate" figures, or "a beautiful set of numbers", to quote a phrase coined by a well known aussie P.M.
Cheers, Pickles.

[mjrandom]

Should nearly be enough then...

[bouka]

This thread is very amusing.

As a multiple HSV owner and having owned all LS series HSV products and the current owner of a 335 GT, I can tell you nothing in the current range comes close to the GT for performance. Nothing. I refer to straight line, in any gear performance. And sound, and the auto. Love or hate ford, from a performance perspective the sc motor is breathtaking.

As for what HSV has planned? Pickles is way off I reckon. Won't happen this year in my opinion. I reckon a new motor will be in the VF. And I reckon it will be brilliant. High tech, and a real thing of beauty. It can't look any worse!

They will have to do a lot to get near the sc GT from a performance perspective and I would not doubt for a second the hoodlums at Clayton can and will respond. They have to.

An auto, sc, well decked out, high tech 400 plus kw and 700 plus nm GTS please. And make sure it is around or under 100k please.

One can only dream.

[duke5700]

I don't know if they have too do it Bouka.. I mean they are killing FPV in the sales race. It will be a matter of will they deliver this for the fans??

I agree. Not this year and if it happens its going to want to be a cracker.

[planetdavo]

I don't know if they have too do it Bouka.. I mean they are killing FPV in the sales race. It will be a matter of will they deliver this for the fans??

I agree. Not this year and if it happens its going to want to be a cracker.

It would be a success whether "most" people agree or not. Camry is so popular around the world because it ticks most buyers boxes, but cars like W427, possible s/c HSV etc aren't about the mainstream 85th percentile buyer or the need to win popularity polls to be considered a success...