Supercharged HSV this year?....I say yes.

[Martin_D]

That "suggested" RRP price must have been written on some dunny paper by someone's kid...

Yes, my local HSV dealer......
I still have a copy of my Holden certified signed 'agreement to purchase' for one. Now to dig it out.

[Pickles]

The GTS-R was hardly a massive success in terms of inital sales, people bang on about there value now but if you'd put that money into a term deposit instead of buying a new GTS-R you would have more money today than if you'd invested in a GTS-R, the W427 will be the same.
I think you're over complicating the engineering process, which is exactly what they want you to believe so they can justify charging whatever they want for the car. AFAIK the zeta platform is shared with the Camaro so I would think the driveline part of the engineering would be done and dusted by now considering the upcoming ZL1 Camaro, the rest of the issues are very, and I mean very, basic engineering problems that should be easily solved, exhaust noise and emissions = pipes, mufflers and tune, heat managment = the heat output of the engine would be well documnented within GM engineering, I would think Holden has pretty good data on Austraila's ambient conditions already on file so its just a matter of sizing the radiator and heat shielding appropriately, intake system = the engines required air flow would also be well docunmented in within GM so it just a matter of pipe size and air filter square cms to satisfy required flow, fuel system required pump size and line size = would already be well documented within GM. They aren't reiventing the wheel.

Agree....And this is why I reckon the S/C car will happen. I still wouldn't understate the "engineering process", (of which I have no details), but I don't think it'd be anywhere near as complicated as the W427 with its dry sump.....BUT, knowing how this Country loves its "Rules & Regulations", I reckon there'd still be a bit to do, then there's all the background stuff/Dealer Service info/Spare Parts inventory etc etc......so I ain't belittling the process, it all costs.....and this car will NOT be cheap.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Martin_D]

Agree....And this is why I reckon the S/C car will happen. I still wouldn't understate the "engineering process", (of which I have no details), but I don't think it'd be anywhere near as complicated as the W427 with its dry sump......

Its called putting an engine/car through tailpipe emissions and then getting the calibrators to wind the torque management up till nothing snaps in the driveline. The rest of the car - the hard stuff - was engineered a decade ago when Holden designed the VE. Lets not talk up the engineering process for a limited run show special too much, some parts bin brakes/shockers/plastic snoot and its done.

[SSVHM2.5]

Just a brief off topic if I may,
For those fortunate enough to own a C63, M3, Lexus, a Nissan GT-R or whatever else is in this price range...
How do you rate the dealer servicing .. i.e as a trusted technical advisor with skilled mechanics graded to match the vehicle or is just a sh!t kicker that works on anything from a Barina to W427 given the opportunity.
I've lost so much confidence in Holden service that I would lose sleep if had a 150k vehicle in a franchise for even the most basic repair.

I could not agree more with this statment. I will never go back to Holden for servicing again. I understand that margins in new cars are low and that dealerships make money out of servicing but please............ I am a Holden nut and love my car but the differance in price, service and quality of work from Autotechnique in Melbourne was incredible compared to my experiance with the Holden dealers. If I could afford a HSV S/C model I would take the servicing out of the hands of those who's bread and butter is servicing Barina's and Cruze's.....

[Xjas]

Agree....And this is why I reckon the S/C car will happen. I still wouldn't understate the "engineering process", (of which I have no details), but I don't think it'd be anywhere near as complicated as the W427 with its dry sump.....BUT, knowing how this Country loves its "Rules & Regulations", I reckon there'd still be a bit to do, then there's all the background stuff/Dealer Service info/Spare Parts inventory etc etc......so I ain't belittling the process, it all costs.....and this car will NOT be cheap.
Cheers, Pickles.

Its true there is a lot of rules and regs to meet but all of those requirements and tests had to be met when HSV went from LS1 to LS2 to LS3, also the same would have applied when the CB4 was engineered for the GTS, neither of these added $60000 to the sticker price of the car. Really the only difference with this engine to any other engine upgarde HSV has undertaken is that the LSA has a supercharger which doesnt fundamentally change the engine in any way other than more power the same as any other engine upgrade, all the engineering that is required for the upgrade is the same as the engine upgrades in the past, the supercharged engine itself has already been developed remember.
Having said that, any LSA powered car should be dearer because as you say there are more parts in the engine, more parts required for stock levels, if its a limited model there are less vehicles to spread the development costs over, etc. but is it really enough to add a large premium to the price of the car?

[bouka]

I would imagine the motor would be part of the development of a new model, VF for example.

Every manufacturer allows for this sort of development in the costing of any new model. The W was probably the only model in the E series that was outside normal model development costings. Dry sump would not have helped. They are not reinventing the wheel here like FPV had to.

There is no reason this alleged car should cost much more than the current GTS, other than the difference in the cost of ls3 over alleged motor.

[SilverVH]

So whats this I hear about a supplementary model being included in the VF range in 2013?

A VF GTS and a VF GTS+ which is essiently a GTS with a premium price that includes the LSA, LS7 clutch and different badges (most noticebly a 420 instead of 330).

The biggest development hurdle being compliance for Euro 5/6 which included emission testing of non-methane hydrocarbon levels and particulate matter. No hurdles in development with the actual engineering process of fitting the LSA.

Has anyone else heard this on the grapevine? Or has the horse bolted to soon.

[bouka]

So whats this I hear about a supplementary model being included in the VF range in 2013?

A VF GTS and a VF GTS+ which is essiently a GTS with a premium price that includes the LSA, LS7 clutch and different badges (most noticebly a 420 instead of 330).

The biggest development hurdle being compliance for Euro 5/6 which included emission testing of non-methane hydrocarbon levels and particulate matter. No hurdles in development with the actual engineering process of fitting the LSA.

Has anyone else heard this on the grapevine? Or has the horse bolted to soon.

GTS plus please. Two GTS models, are you sure?

What will the standard motor be?

[zorro]

Ls7 with a wet sump, der..........

George I'm sure I'm suffering a brain hemorrhage with this headache I'll call when I can

[bouka]

Lol Ash.

Call whenever mate, will fill you in on the goss.

See someone if it doesn't get better soon.

[VYSHSV8]

Ls7 with a wet sump, der..........

George I'm sure I'm suffering a brain hemorrhage with this headache I'll call when I can

What ya mean you sure

We know you are lol

[Xjas]

I would have thought that the Clubby would still be NA and the flagship GTS would have the LSA to make the GTS the cut above that it used to be when they had the Callaway motor in the GTS and the Clubby had the LS1 but that would seem too sensible.

[1BEAST2NV]

Clubby/GTS same same,

u want that little bit more luxo in the HSV...... get a GTS, if ya dont care to much about the luxo parts, by a clubby win win.

Dont think the GTS shoud get it (the better motor) just for its badge, in the end they are the same car, just with different options. IMO motor shouldnt be one of them.

[bouka]

In my opinion, the GTS will be the halo with lsa. All other models will get an na based ls motor.

I wouldn't think the GTS will have an option of motor.

[Martin_D]

Why would HSV jeaopardise GTS sales (which are probably doing quite nicely as is)
When they can easily call it something else and appeal to those that already own a GTS?
GTS-R anyone?